Find the length x such that the two distances in the triangle are the same












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Assume you have a right angle triangle $Delta ABC$ with cateti $a$, $b$ and hypotenuse $c = sqrt{a^2 + b^2}$. Find or construct a point $D$ on the hypothenuse such that the distance $|CD| = |DE|$, where $E$ is positioned on $AB$ in such a way that $DEparallel BC$ ($DE$ is parallel to $BC$).




enter image description here



Background



My background for wanting such a distance is that I want to create a semicircle from C onto the line $AB$. This can be made clearer in the image below



enter image description here



To be able to make sure the angles is right, I needed the red and blue line to be of same length. This lead to this problem



Solution



Using similar triangles one arrives at the three equations



$$
begin{align*}
frac{color{blue}{text{blue}}}{a - x} & = frac{b}{a} \
frac{color{red}{text{red}}}{x} & = frac{c}{a} \
color{red}{text{red}} & = color{blue}{text{blue}}
end{align*}
$$



Where one easily can solve for $color{blue}{text{blue}}$, $color{red}{text{red}}$, $x$.



Question



I feel my solution is quite barbaric and I feel that there is a better way to solve this problem. Is there another shorter, better, more intuitive solution. Or perhaps there exists a a way to construct the point $D$ in a simpler matter?










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    You still have not described what $F$ is either from the statement or from the graph.
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    Right when I said $F$ i meant $E$. I will fix it in the problem statement =)
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    Your system of equations very quickly and easily simplifies to $x=ab/(b+c).$ That does not seem too ugly. But the half-angle method also works. In fact, your problem is a nice way to derive at least one of the half-angle formulas for the tangent function!
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I have been working on the following problem



Statement




Assume you have a right angle triangle $Delta ABC$ with cateti $a$, $b$ and hypotenuse $c = sqrt{a^2 + b^2}$. Find or construct a point $D$ on the hypothenuse such that the distance $|CD| = |DE|$, where $E$ is positioned on $AB$ in such a way that $DEparallel BC$ ($DE$ is parallel to $BC$).




enter image description here



Background



My background for wanting such a distance is that I want to create a semicircle from C onto the line $AB$. This can be made clearer in the image below



enter image description here



To be able to make sure the angles is right, I needed the red and blue line to be of same length. This lead to this problem



Solution



Using similar triangles one arrives at the three equations



$$
begin{align*}
frac{color{blue}{text{blue}}}{a - x} & = frac{b}{a} \
frac{color{red}{text{red}}}{x} & = frac{c}{a} \
color{red}{text{red}} & = color{blue}{text{blue}}
end{align*}
$$



Where one easily can solve for $color{blue}{text{blue}}$, $color{red}{text{red}}$, $x$.



Question



I feel my solution is quite barbaric and I feel that there is a better way to solve this problem. Is there another shorter, better, more intuitive solution. Or perhaps there exists a a way to construct the point $D$ in a simpler matter?










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    You still have not described what $F$ is either from the statement or from the graph.
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    Right when I said $F$ i meant $E$. I will fix it in the problem statement =)
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    cateti is Italian for legs
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    Your system of equations very quickly and easily simplifies to $x=ab/(b+c).$ That does not seem too ugly. But the half-angle method also works. In fact, your problem is a nice way to derive at least one of the half-angle formulas for the tangent function!
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I have been working on the following problem



Statement




Assume you have a right angle triangle $Delta ABC$ with cateti $a$, $b$ and hypotenuse $c = sqrt{a^2 + b^2}$. Find or construct a point $D$ on the hypothenuse such that the distance $|CD| = |DE|$, where $E$ is positioned on $AB$ in such a way that $DEparallel BC$ ($DE$ is parallel to $BC$).




enter image description here



Background



My background for wanting such a distance is that I want to create a semicircle from C onto the line $AB$. This can be made clearer in the image below



enter image description here



To be able to make sure the angles is right, I needed the red and blue line to be of same length. This lead to this problem



Solution



Using similar triangles one arrives at the three equations



$$
begin{align*}
frac{color{blue}{text{blue}}}{a - x} & = frac{b}{a} \
frac{color{red}{text{red}}}{x} & = frac{c}{a} \
color{red}{text{red}} & = color{blue}{text{blue}}
end{align*}
$$



Where one easily can solve for $color{blue}{text{blue}}$, $color{red}{text{red}}$, $x$.



Question



I feel my solution is quite barbaric and I feel that there is a better way to solve this problem. Is there another shorter, better, more intuitive solution. Or perhaps there exists a a way to construct the point $D$ in a simpler matter?










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I have been working on the following problem



Statement




Assume you have a right angle triangle $Delta ABC$ with cateti $a$, $b$ and hypotenuse $c = sqrt{a^2 + b^2}$. Find or construct a point $D$ on the hypothenuse such that the distance $|CD| = |DE|$, where $E$ is positioned on $AB$ in such a way that $DEparallel BC$ ($DE$ is parallel to $BC$).




enter image description here



Background



My background for wanting such a distance is that I want to create a semicircle from C onto the line $AB$. This can be made clearer in the image below



enter image description here



To be able to make sure the angles is right, I needed the red and blue line to be of same length. This lead to this problem



Solution



Using similar triangles one arrives at the three equations



$$
begin{align*}
frac{color{blue}{text{blue}}}{a - x} & = frac{b}{a} \
frac{color{red}{text{red}}}{x} & = frac{c}{a} \
color{red}{text{red}} & = color{blue}{text{blue}}
end{align*}
$$



Where one easily can solve for $color{blue}{text{blue}}$, $color{red}{text{red}}$, $x$.



Question



I feel my solution is quite barbaric and I feel that there is a better way to solve this problem. Is there another shorter, better, more intuitive solution. Or perhaps there exists a a way to construct the point $D$ in a simpler matter?







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    You still have not described what $F$ is either from the statement or from the graph.
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    Right when I said $F$ i meant $E$. I will fix it in the problem statement =)
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    cateti is Italian for legs
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    Your system of equations very quickly and easily simplifies to $x=ab/(b+c).$ That does not seem too ugly. But the half-angle method also works. In fact, your problem is a nice way to derive at least one of the half-angle formulas for the tangent function!
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    You still have not described what $F$ is either from the statement or from the graph.
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    Right when I said $F$ i meant $E$. I will fix it in the problem statement =)
    $endgroup$
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    cateti is Italian for legs
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    Your system of equations very quickly and easily simplifies to $x=ab/(b+c).$ That does not seem too ugly. But the half-angle method also works. In fact, your problem is a nice way to derive at least one of the half-angle formulas for the tangent function!
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You still have not described what $F$ is either from the statement or from the graph.
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You still have not described what $F$ is either from the statement or from the graph.
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Right when I said $F$ i meant $E$. I will fix it in the problem statement =)
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– N3buchadnezzar
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Right when I said $F$ i meant $E$. I will fix it in the problem statement =)
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cateti is Italian for legs
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Your system of equations very quickly and easily simplifies to $x=ab/(b+c).$ That does not seem too ugly. But the half-angle method also works. In fact, your problem is a nice way to derive at least one of the half-angle formulas for the tangent function!
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Your system of equations very quickly and easily simplifies to $x=ab/(b+c).$ That does not seem too ugly. But the half-angle method also works. In fact, your problem is a nice way to derive at least one of the half-angle formulas for the tangent function!
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Let the angle bisector of $angle ACB$ intersect side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$.



Let the measure of $angle ACB$ be $alpha$.
Then $m angle DCE = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.



Let the line perpendicular to side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$ intersect side
$overline{AC}$ at point $D$.



Since $overline{ED}$ is parallel to $overline{BC}$, then
$angle ADE cong angle ACB$



By the exterior angle theorem, $mangle DEC = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.



Hence $triangle EDC$ is isoceles.



So $CD = DE$.






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The curve that traces out the points that are equidistant to $C$ and the line extension of $AB$ is a parabola with focus $C$ and directrix $AB$.



Choosing a convenient coordinate system (parallel to $AB$ with $B$ as the origin), I get the equation $y = frac{x^2}{2b} + frac{b}{2}$, which you want to intersect with the line $y = frac{b}{a}x + b$.



Solving, I get that the point $D$ has $(x,y)$ coordinates of $x = frac{b(b - c)}{a}$ and $y = frac{bc(c - b)}{a^2}$.






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    Let $$CD=DE=y$$ then we get $$frac{b}{c}=frac{y}{c-y}$$ so $$y=frac{bc}{b+c}$$






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      I don't think those are the correct proportions. You should get something like $frac{a}{b} = frac{sqrt{y^2 - (b-y)^2}}{b-y}$
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    Not sure if this is less barbaric but using simple trig: $DE=(a-x)tan A$, $DC=frac{x}{cos A}$ so the equation to solve is $$(a-x)frac{b}{a}=frac{xsqrt{a^2+b^2}}{a}$$ or $$x=frac{ab}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+b}$$



    Just another idea to construct point $E$: since $triangle{DCE}$ is isosceles, it's easy to find $angle{ACE}=(90°-A)/2$






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      Let the angle bisector of $angle ACB$ intersect side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$.



      Let the measure of $angle ACB$ be $alpha$.
      Then $m angle DCE = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.



      Let the line perpendicular to side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$ intersect side
      $overline{AC}$ at point $D$.



      Since $overline{ED}$ is parallel to $overline{BC}$, then
      $angle ADE cong angle ACB$



      By the exterior angle theorem, $mangle DEC = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.



      Hence $triangle EDC$ is isoceles.



      So $CD = DE$.






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        This is exactly what I was looking for =)
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      Let the angle bisector of $angle ACB$ intersect side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$.



      Let the measure of $angle ACB$ be $alpha$.
      Then $m angle DCE = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.



      Let the line perpendicular to side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$ intersect side
      $overline{AC}$ at point $D$.



      Since $overline{ED}$ is parallel to $overline{BC}$, then
      $angle ADE cong angle ACB$



      By the exterior angle theorem, $mangle DEC = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.



      Hence $triangle EDC$ is isoceles.



      So $CD = DE$.






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        This is exactly what I was looking for =)
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      Let the angle bisector of $angle ACB$ intersect side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$.



      Let the measure of $angle ACB$ be $alpha$.
      Then $m angle DCE = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.



      Let the line perpendicular to side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$ intersect side
      $overline{AC}$ at point $D$.



      Since $overline{ED}$ is parallel to $overline{BC}$, then
      $angle ADE cong angle ACB$



      By the exterior angle theorem, $mangle DEC = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.



      Hence $triangle EDC$ is isoceles.



      So $CD = DE$.






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      enter image description here



      Let the angle bisector of $angle ACB$ intersect side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$.



      Let the measure of $angle ACB$ be $alpha$.
      Then $m angle DCE = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.



      Let the line perpendicular to side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$ intersect side
      $overline{AC}$ at point $D$.



      Since $overline{ED}$ is parallel to $overline{BC}$, then
      $angle ADE cong angle ACB$



      By the exterior angle theorem, $mangle DEC = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.



      Hence $triangle EDC$ is isoceles.



      So $CD = DE$.







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        This is exactly what I was looking for =)
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      This is exactly what I was looking for =)
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      The curve that traces out the points that are equidistant to $C$ and the line extension of $AB$ is a parabola with focus $C$ and directrix $AB$.



      Choosing a convenient coordinate system (parallel to $AB$ with $B$ as the origin), I get the equation $y = frac{x^2}{2b} + frac{b}{2}$, which you want to intersect with the line $y = frac{b}{a}x + b$.



      Solving, I get that the point $D$ has $(x,y)$ coordinates of $x = frac{b(b - c)}{a}$ and $y = frac{bc(c - b)}{a^2}$.






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        The curve that traces out the points that are equidistant to $C$ and the line extension of $AB$ is a parabola with focus $C$ and directrix $AB$.



        Choosing a convenient coordinate system (parallel to $AB$ with $B$ as the origin), I get the equation $y = frac{x^2}{2b} + frac{b}{2}$, which you want to intersect with the line $y = frac{b}{a}x + b$.



        Solving, I get that the point $D$ has $(x,y)$ coordinates of $x = frac{b(b - c)}{a}$ and $y = frac{bc(c - b)}{a^2}$.






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          $begingroup$

          The curve that traces out the points that are equidistant to $C$ and the line extension of $AB$ is a parabola with focus $C$ and directrix $AB$.



          Choosing a convenient coordinate system (parallel to $AB$ with $B$ as the origin), I get the equation $y = frac{x^2}{2b} + frac{b}{2}$, which you want to intersect with the line $y = frac{b}{a}x + b$.



          Solving, I get that the point $D$ has $(x,y)$ coordinates of $x = frac{b(b - c)}{a}$ and $y = frac{bc(c - b)}{a^2}$.






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          The curve that traces out the points that are equidistant to $C$ and the line extension of $AB$ is a parabola with focus $C$ and directrix $AB$.



          Choosing a convenient coordinate system (parallel to $AB$ with $B$ as the origin), I get the equation $y = frac{x^2}{2b} + frac{b}{2}$, which you want to intersect with the line $y = frac{b}{a}x + b$.



          Solving, I get that the point $D$ has $(x,y)$ coordinates of $x = frac{b(b - c)}{a}$ and $y = frac{bc(c - b)}{a^2}$.







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              Let $$CD=DE=y$$ then we get $$frac{b}{c}=frac{y}{c-y}$$ so $$y=frac{bc}{b+c}$$






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                I don't think those are the correct proportions. You should get something like $frac{a}{b} = frac{sqrt{y^2 - (b-y)^2}}{b-y}$
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              Let $$CD=DE=y$$ then we get $$frac{b}{c}=frac{y}{c-y}$$ so $$y=frac{bc}{b+c}$$






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                I don't think those are the correct proportions. You should get something like $frac{a}{b} = frac{sqrt{y^2 - (b-y)^2}}{b-y}$
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              Let $$CD=DE=y$$ then we get $$frac{b}{c}=frac{y}{c-y}$$ so $$y=frac{bc}{b+c}$$






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              Let $$CD=DE=y$$ then we get $$frac{b}{c}=frac{y}{c-y}$$ so $$y=frac{bc}{b+c}$$







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                I don't think those are the correct proportions. You should get something like $frac{a}{b} = frac{sqrt{y^2 - (b-y)^2}}{b-y}$
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                I don't think those are the correct proportions. You should get something like $frac{a}{b} = frac{sqrt{y^2 - (b-y)^2}}{b-y}$
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              I don't think those are the correct proportions. You should get something like $frac{a}{b} = frac{sqrt{y^2 - (b-y)^2}}{b-y}$
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              I don't think those are the correct proportions. You should get something like $frac{a}{b} = frac{sqrt{y^2 - (b-y)^2}}{b-y}$
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              Not sure if this is less barbaric but using simple trig: $DE=(a-x)tan A$, $DC=frac{x}{cos A}$ so the equation to solve is $$(a-x)frac{b}{a}=frac{xsqrt{a^2+b^2}}{a}$$ or $$x=frac{ab}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+b}$$



              Just another idea to construct point $E$: since $triangle{DCE}$ is isosceles, it's easy to find $angle{ACE}=(90°-A)/2$






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                Not sure if this is less barbaric but using simple trig: $DE=(a-x)tan A$, $DC=frac{x}{cos A}$ so the equation to solve is $$(a-x)frac{b}{a}=frac{xsqrt{a^2+b^2}}{a}$$ or $$x=frac{ab}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+b}$$



                Just another idea to construct point $E$: since $triangle{DCE}$ is isosceles, it's easy to find $angle{ACE}=(90°-A)/2$






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                  Not sure if this is less barbaric but using simple trig: $DE=(a-x)tan A$, $DC=frac{x}{cos A}$ so the equation to solve is $$(a-x)frac{b}{a}=frac{xsqrt{a^2+b^2}}{a}$$ or $$x=frac{ab}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+b}$$



                  Just another idea to construct point $E$: since $triangle{DCE}$ is isosceles, it's easy to find $angle{ACE}=(90°-A)/2$






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                  Not sure if this is less barbaric but using simple trig: $DE=(a-x)tan A$, $DC=frac{x}{cos A}$ so the equation to solve is $$(a-x)frac{b}{a}=frac{xsqrt{a^2+b^2}}{a}$$ or $$x=frac{ab}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+b}$$



                  Just another idea to construct point $E$: since $triangle{DCE}$ is isosceles, it's easy to find $angle{ACE}=(90°-A)/2$







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