Was the old ablative pronoun “med” or “mēd”?












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In Classical times, the first singular ablative pronoun ("from me") was mē, with a long ē. However, the older form seems to have been med, with a final -d.



Do we know whether this earlier form was med or mēd? In other words, was the vowel long or short? Evidence from etymology, or poetry, or an apex in an inscription, etc, would all be appreciated: since it's an older form, I doubt there'll be as many attestations.






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    In Classical times, the first singular ablative pronoun ("from me") was mē, with a long ē. However, the older form seems to have been med, with a final -d.



    Do we know whether this earlier form was med or mēd? In other words, was the vowel long or short? Evidence from etymology, or poetry, or an apex in an inscription, etc, would all be appreciated: since it's an older form, I doubt there'll be as many attestations.






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      In Classical times, the first singular ablative pronoun ("from me") was mē, with a long ē. However, the older form seems to have been med, with a final -d.



      Do we know whether this earlier form was med or mēd? In other words, was the vowel long or short? Evidence from etymology, or poetry, or an apex in an inscription, etc, would all be appreciated: since it's an older form, I doubt there'll be as many attestations.






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      In Classical times, the first singular ablative pronoun ("from me") was mē, with a long ē. However, the older form seems to have been med, with a final -d.



      Do we know whether this earlier form was med or mēd? In other words, was the vowel long or short? Evidence from etymology, or poetry, or an apex in an inscription, etc, would all be appreciated: since it's an older form, I doubt there'll be as many attestations.






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          This is what Andrew Sihler says in his New Comparative Grammar of Greek and Latin:




          Abl.sg. L. mē, tē, sē, are from OL mēd, tēd, sēd, with the same
          ablative -d as in nouns and other pronouns. Cf. Ved. mát, tvát, ...
          whose short vowels, being unexpected, are likely to be faithful to the
          original state of affairs. The significance of the long vowels in L.
          is ambiguous; they may be from lengthening in monosyllables, but are
          more likely to be importations from the otherwise ubiquitous long
          vowels in the abl. ending of various noun classes.







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            This is what Andrew Sihler says in his New Comparative Grammar of Greek and Latin:




            Abl.sg. L. mē, tē, sē, are from OL mēd, tēd, sēd, with the same
            ablative -d as in nouns and other pronouns. Cf. Ved. mát, tvát, ...
            whose short vowels, being unexpected, are likely to be faithful to the
            original state of affairs. The significance of the long vowels in L.
            is ambiguous; they may be from lengthening in monosyllables, but are
            more likely to be importations from the otherwise ubiquitous long
            vowels in the abl. ending of various noun classes.







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              This is what Andrew Sihler says in his New Comparative Grammar of Greek and Latin:




              Abl.sg. L. mē, tē, sē, are from OL mēd, tēd, sēd, with the same
              ablative -d as in nouns and other pronouns. Cf. Ved. mát, tvát, ...
              whose short vowels, being unexpected, are likely to be faithful to the
              original state of affairs. The significance of the long vowels in L.
              is ambiguous; they may be from lengthening in monosyllables, but are
              more likely to be importations from the otherwise ubiquitous long
              vowels in the abl. ending of various noun classes.







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                This is what Andrew Sihler says in his New Comparative Grammar of Greek and Latin:




                Abl.sg. L. mē, tē, sē, are from OL mēd, tēd, sēd, with the same
                ablative -d as in nouns and other pronouns. Cf. Ved. mát, tvát, ...
                whose short vowels, being unexpected, are likely to be faithful to the
                original state of affairs. The significance of the long vowels in L.
                is ambiguous; they may be from lengthening in monosyllables, but are
                more likely to be importations from the otherwise ubiquitous long
                vowels in the abl. ending of various noun classes.







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                This is what Andrew Sihler says in his New Comparative Grammar of Greek and Latin:




                Abl.sg. L. mē, tē, sē, are from OL mēd, tēd, sēd, with the same
                ablative -d as in nouns and other pronouns. Cf. Ved. mát, tvát, ...
                whose short vowels, being unexpected, are likely to be faithful to the
                original state of affairs. The significance of the long vowels in L.
                is ambiguous; they may be from lengthening in monosyllables, but are
                more likely to be importations from the otherwise ubiquitous long
                vowels in the abl. ending of various noun classes.








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