Replacing grounded outlets with grounded metal junction box
Replacing several 3 prong outlets in my 1968 home. Tried searching to find an answer but most questions seem geared towards replacing 2 prong outlets with 3 prong and don't apply here.
My wiring appears to be romex with a bare copper ground wire. After removing the outlet covers and pulling the outlets (all 3 prong) out of their junction boxes, I've found that each has the hot and neutral wires connected to the outlet and the ground wire connected to the junction box. Each outlet has a black screw in the bottom corner which I assume makes contact with the metal box and provides a ground path?

What is the correct way to replace these outlets? I assume I need to get some bare copper or green insulated wire and connect it to the outlet ground screw on one end and connect it to the metal Jbox via installing another screw above the "GR" label on the junction box in my photo?
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Replacing several 3 prong outlets in my 1968 home. Tried searching to find an answer but most questions seem geared towards replacing 2 prong outlets with 3 prong and don't apply here.
My wiring appears to be romex with a bare copper ground wire. After removing the outlet covers and pulling the outlets (all 3 prong) out of their junction boxes, I've found that each has the hot and neutral wires connected to the outlet and the ground wire connected to the junction box. Each outlet has a black screw in the bottom corner which I assume makes contact with the metal box and provides a ground path?

What is the correct way to replace these outlets? I assume I need to get some bare copper or green insulated wire and connect it to the outlet ground screw on one end and connect it to the metal Jbox via installing another screw above the "GR" label on the junction box in my photo?
wiring receptacle grounding-and-bonding
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Replacing several 3 prong outlets in my 1968 home. Tried searching to find an answer but most questions seem geared towards replacing 2 prong outlets with 3 prong and don't apply here.
My wiring appears to be romex with a bare copper ground wire. After removing the outlet covers and pulling the outlets (all 3 prong) out of their junction boxes, I've found that each has the hot and neutral wires connected to the outlet and the ground wire connected to the junction box. Each outlet has a black screw in the bottom corner which I assume makes contact with the metal box and provides a ground path?

What is the correct way to replace these outlets? I assume I need to get some bare copper or green insulated wire and connect it to the outlet ground screw on one end and connect it to the metal Jbox via installing another screw above the "GR" label on the junction box in my photo?
wiring receptacle grounding-and-bonding
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Replacing several 3 prong outlets in my 1968 home. Tried searching to find an answer but most questions seem geared towards replacing 2 prong outlets with 3 prong and don't apply here.
My wiring appears to be romex with a bare copper ground wire. After removing the outlet covers and pulling the outlets (all 3 prong) out of their junction boxes, I've found that each has the hot and neutral wires connected to the outlet and the ground wire connected to the junction box. Each outlet has a black screw in the bottom corner which I assume makes contact with the metal box and provides a ground path?

What is the correct way to replace these outlets? I assume I need to get some bare copper or green insulated wire and connect it to the outlet ground screw on one end and connect it to the metal Jbox via installing another screw above the "GR" label on the junction box in my photo?
wiring receptacle grounding-and-bonding
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The ground screws do not make contact with the box. They're intended to secure a pigtail from the ground wire bundle (or a passthrough loop). On modern outlets they'll be green.
Some outlets are self-grounding. They have small tabs or wire springs behind the screw mount ears that make a positive connection.
You can either replace your outlets with self-grounding ones, or simply attach the grounding conductor with the screws. The ground wires should still connect to the box if it's metal. That does appear to be a grounding screw hole in your photo. Be sure to use the proper screw (often 10-32 with self-cutting threads) to be legal.
1
I agree but the ground wires in the box need to be anchored also for the contact type yokes to do there job, usually a 10-32 green grounding screw.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
Thanks. I was looking up the thread pitch as you commented. 'Preciate the confirmation.
– isherwood
6 hours ago
I am always cautious with grounding screw wording, I believe code states self forming, this is to keep people from using self tappers , but you added the pitch so I think it is worth a +
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
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You see on the old receptacle, where there is a little cardboard donut and a bunch of wallpaper and junk stuck to the receptacle yoke? That. That is a picture postcard example of not an acceptable grounding path for receptacles. Those things are insulators, and will prevent solid contact between the yoke and the metal box. Also, the yoke is catching the dry wall and is "proud" of the box. Because of that, it needs a ground pigtail.
The mounting screws, alone, are not an acceptable grounding path for receptacles. They are for switches. (Why?? shrug)
The ground screw was not having casual contact with the box sides. The ground wires were, that was grounding the box. The yoke was grouhding through the mounting screws. The screws conduct well enough to pass a 3-lamp test, but they won't handle serious current when they need to. Obviously neither will the "casual contact" of the ground wires to the box.
If you are changing receptacles, pause to learn what a "tab" is, why you break off "tabs", and check every receptacle for that. You'll thank us later.
There in the box, that hole is threaded #10-32. Code requires -32 or finer threads for proper thread engagement given the thickness of junction boxes. Do not use any random wood or metal screw. Home Depot sells adorable green screws just for this purpose, some with little ground wires already on them.
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Yes if that hole indicated in your photo is threaded, that is for the ground screw, and the screw at the bottom of the receptacle is for the ground wire.
In this situation I think a "greenie" grounding wire nut, a wire nut with a hole in the tip, might be the easiest thing to use.
Take a 12" pigtail of bare #14 and terminate one end under the ground screw at the back of the box. Run the pigtail through the wire nut and twist the two existing ground wires into the ground screw. Then land the other end of the pigtail on the ground screw terminal on the receptacle.
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The key is the wire-nut and other ground wires joins the ground pigtail at half staff...
– Harper
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The ground screws do not make contact with the box. They're intended to secure a pigtail from the ground wire bundle (or a passthrough loop). On modern outlets they'll be green.
Some outlets are self-grounding. They have small tabs or wire springs behind the screw mount ears that make a positive connection.
You can either replace your outlets with self-grounding ones, or simply attach the grounding conductor with the screws. The ground wires should still connect to the box if it's metal. That does appear to be a grounding screw hole in your photo. Be sure to use the proper screw (often 10-32 with self-cutting threads) to be legal.
1
I agree but the ground wires in the box need to be anchored also for the contact type yokes to do there job, usually a 10-32 green grounding screw.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
Thanks. I was looking up the thread pitch as you commented. 'Preciate the confirmation.
– isherwood
6 hours ago
I am always cautious with grounding screw wording, I believe code states self forming, this is to keep people from using self tappers , but you added the pitch so I think it is worth a +
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
add a comment |
The ground screws do not make contact with the box. They're intended to secure a pigtail from the ground wire bundle (or a passthrough loop). On modern outlets they'll be green.
Some outlets are self-grounding. They have small tabs or wire springs behind the screw mount ears that make a positive connection.
You can either replace your outlets with self-grounding ones, or simply attach the grounding conductor with the screws. The ground wires should still connect to the box if it's metal. That does appear to be a grounding screw hole in your photo. Be sure to use the proper screw (often 10-32 with self-cutting threads) to be legal.
1
I agree but the ground wires in the box need to be anchored also for the contact type yokes to do there job, usually a 10-32 green grounding screw.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
Thanks. I was looking up the thread pitch as you commented. 'Preciate the confirmation.
– isherwood
6 hours ago
I am always cautious with grounding screw wording, I believe code states self forming, this is to keep people from using self tappers , but you added the pitch so I think it is worth a +
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
add a comment |
The ground screws do not make contact with the box. They're intended to secure a pigtail from the ground wire bundle (or a passthrough loop). On modern outlets they'll be green.
Some outlets are self-grounding. They have small tabs or wire springs behind the screw mount ears that make a positive connection.
You can either replace your outlets with self-grounding ones, or simply attach the grounding conductor with the screws. The ground wires should still connect to the box if it's metal. That does appear to be a grounding screw hole in your photo. Be sure to use the proper screw (often 10-32 with self-cutting threads) to be legal.
The ground screws do not make contact with the box. They're intended to secure a pigtail from the ground wire bundle (or a passthrough loop). On modern outlets they'll be green.
Some outlets are self-grounding. They have small tabs or wire springs behind the screw mount ears that make a positive connection.
You can either replace your outlets with self-grounding ones, or simply attach the grounding conductor with the screws. The ground wires should still connect to the box if it's metal. That does appear to be a grounding screw hole in your photo. Be sure to use the proper screw (often 10-32 with self-cutting threads) to be legal.
answered 6 hours ago
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I agree but the ground wires in the box need to be anchored also for the contact type yokes to do there job, usually a 10-32 green grounding screw.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
Thanks. I was looking up the thread pitch as you commented. 'Preciate the confirmation.
– isherwood
6 hours ago
I am always cautious with grounding screw wording, I believe code states self forming, this is to keep people from using self tappers , but you added the pitch so I think it is worth a +
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
add a comment |
1
I agree but the ground wires in the box need to be anchored also for the contact type yokes to do there job, usually a 10-32 green grounding screw.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
Thanks. I was looking up the thread pitch as you commented. 'Preciate the confirmation.
– isherwood
6 hours ago
I am always cautious with grounding screw wording, I believe code states self forming, this is to keep people from using self tappers , but you added the pitch so I think it is worth a +
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
1
1
I agree but the ground wires in the box need to be anchored also for the contact type yokes to do there job, usually a 10-32 green grounding screw.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
I agree but the ground wires in the box need to be anchored also for the contact type yokes to do there job, usually a 10-32 green grounding screw.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
Thanks. I was looking up the thread pitch as you commented. 'Preciate the confirmation.
– isherwood
6 hours ago
Thanks. I was looking up the thread pitch as you commented. 'Preciate the confirmation.
– isherwood
6 hours ago
I am always cautious with grounding screw wording, I believe code states self forming, this is to keep people from using self tappers , but you added the pitch so I think it is worth a +
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
I am always cautious with grounding screw wording, I believe code states self forming, this is to keep people from using self tappers , but you added the pitch so I think it is worth a +
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
add a comment |
You see on the old receptacle, where there is a little cardboard donut and a bunch of wallpaper and junk stuck to the receptacle yoke? That. That is a picture postcard example of not an acceptable grounding path for receptacles. Those things are insulators, and will prevent solid contact between the yoke and the metal box. Also, the yoke is catching the dry wall and is "proud" of the box. Because of that, it needs a ground pigtail.
The mounting screws, alone, are not an acceptable grounding path for receptacles. They are for switches. (Why?? shrug)
The ground screw was not having casual contact with the box sides. The ground wires were, that was grounding the box. The yoke was grouhding through the mounting screws. The screws conduct well enough to pass a 3-lamp test, but they won't handle serious current when they need to. Obviously neither will the "casual contact" of the ground wires to the box.
If you are changing receptacles, pause to learn what a "tab" is, why you break off "tabs", and check every receptacle for that. You'll thank us later.
There in the box, that hole is threaded #10-32. Code requires -32 or finer threads for proper thread engagement given the thickness of junction boxes. Do not use any random wood or metal screw. Home Depot sells adorable green screws just for this purpose, some with little ground wires already on them.
add a comment |
You see on the old receptacle, where there is a little cardboard donut and a bunch of wallpaper and junk stuck to the receptacle yoke? That. That is a picture postcard example of not an acceptable grounding path for receptacles. Those things are insulators, and will prevent solid contact between the yoke and the metal box. Also, the yoke is catching the dry wall and is "proud" of the box. Because of that, it needs a ground pigtail.
The mounting screws, alone, are not an acceptable grounding path for receptacles. They are for switches. (Why?? shrug)
The ground screw was not having casual contact with the box sides. The ground wires were, that was grounding the box. The yoke was grouhding through the mounting screws. The screws conduct well enough to pass a 3-lamp test, but they won't handle serious current when they need to. Obviously neither will the "casual contact" of the ground wires to the box.
If you are changing receptacles, pause to learn what a "tab" is, why you break off "tabs", and check every receptacle for that. You'll thank us later.
There in the box, that hole is threaded #10-32. Code requires -32 or finer threads for proper thread engagement given the thickness of junction boxes. Do not use any random wood or metal screw. Home Depot sells adorable green screws just for this purpose, some with little ground wires already on them.
add a comment |
You see on the old receptacle, where there is a little cardboard donut and a bunch of wallpaper and junk stuck to the receptacle yoke? That. That is a picture postcard example of not an acceptable grounding path for receptacles. Those things are insulators, and will prevent solid contact between the yoke and the metal box. Also, the yoke is catching the dry wall and is "proud" of the box. Because of that, it needs a ground pigtail.
The mounting screws, alone, are not an acceptable grounding path for receptacles. They are for switches. (Why?? shrug)
The ground screw was not having casual contact with the box sides. The ground wires were, that was grounding the box. The yoke was grouhding through the mounting screws. The screws conduct well enough to pass a 3-lamp test, but they won't handle serious current when they need to. Obviously neither will the "casual contact" of the ground wires to the box.
If you are changing receptacles, pause to learn what a "tab" is, why you break off "tabs", and check every receptacle for that. You'll thank us later.
There in the box, that hole is threaded #10-32. Code requires -32 or finer threads for proper thread engagement given the thickness of junction boxes. Do not use any random wood or metal screw. Home Depot sells adorable green screws just for this purpose, some with little ground wires already on them.
You see on the old receptacle, where there is a little cardboard donut and a bunch of wallpaper and junk stuck to the receptacle yoke? That. That is a picture postcard example of not an acceptable grounding path for receptacles. Those things are insulators, and will prevent solid contact between the yoke and the metal box. Also, the yoke is catching the dry wall and is "proud" of the box. Because of that, it needs a ground pigtail.
The mounting screws, alone, are not an acceptable grounding path for receptacles. They are for switches. (Why?? shrug)
The ground screw was not having casual contact with the box sides. The ground wires were, that was grounding the box. The yoke was grouhding through the mounting screws. The screws conduct well enough to pass a 3-lamp test, but they won't handle serious current when they need to. Obviously neither will the "casual contact" of the ground wires to the box.
If you are changing receptacles, pause to learn what a "tab" is, why you break off "tabs", and check every receptacle for that. You'll thank us later.
There in the box, that hole is threaded #10-32. Code requires -32 or finer threads for proper thread engagement given the thickness of junction boxes. Do not use any random wood or metal screw. Home Depot sells adorable green screws just for this purpose, some with little ground wires already on them.
answered 6 hours ago
HarperHarper
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Yes if that hole indicated in your photo is threaded, that is for the ground screw, and the screw at the bottom of the receptacle is for the ground wire.
In this situation I think a "greenie" grounding wire nut, a wire nut with a hole in the tip, might be the easiest thing to use.
Take a 12" pigtail of bare #14 and terminate one end under the ground screw at the back of the box. Run the pigtail through the wire nut and twist the two existing ground wires into the ground screw. Then land the other end of the pigtail on the ground screw terminal on the receptacle.
1
The key is the wire-nut and other ground wires joins the ground pigtail at half staff...
– Harper
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes if that hole indicated in your photo is threaded, that is for the ground screw, and the screw at the bottom of the receptacle is for the ground wire.
In this situation I think a "greenie" grounding wire nut, a wire nut with a hole in the tip, might be the easiest thing to use.
Take a 12" pigtail of bare #14 and terminate one end under the ground screw at the back of the box. Run the pigtail through the wire nut and twist the two existing ground wires into the ground screw. Then land the other end of the pigtail on the ground screw terminal on the receptacle.
1
The key is the wire-nut and other ground wires joins the ground pigtail at half staff...
– Harper
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes if that hole indicated in your photo is threaded, that is for the ground screw, and the screw at the bottom of the receptacle is for the ground wire.
In this situation I think a "greenie" grounding wire nut, a wire nut with a hole in the tip, might be the easiest thing to use.
Take a 12" pigtail of bare #14 and terminate one end under the ground screw at the back of the box. Run the pigtail through the wire nut and twist the two existing ground wires into the ground screw. Then land the other end of the pigtail on the ground screw terminal on the receptacle.
Yes if that hole indicated in your photo is threaded, that is for the ground screw, and the screw at the bottom of the receptacle is for the ground wire.
In this situation I think a "greenie" grounding wire nut, a wire nut with a hole in the tip, might be the easiest thing to use.
Take a 12" pigtail of bare #14 and terminate one end under the ground screw at the back of the box. Run the pigtail through the wire nut and twist the two existing ground wires into the ground screw. Then land the other end of the pigtail on the ground screw terminal on the receptacle.
answered 6 hours ago
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The key is the wire-nut and other ground wires joins the ground pigtail at half staff...
– Harper
6 hours ago
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The key is the wire-nut and other ground wires joins the ground pigtail at half staff...
– Harper
6 hours ago
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The key is the wire-nut and other ground wires joins the ground pigtail at half staff...
– Harper
6 hours ago
The key is the wire-nut and other ground wires joins the ground pigtail at half staff...
– Harper
6 hours ago
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