A problem with “news”












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I know news doesn't have a plural, but what is correct in the following example:



We must recognize real news from fake one.



or



We must recognize real news from fake ones.



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  • @ColleenV: Nicely found. It's nowhere near a "duplicate", imho, but definitely extremely relevant.

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I know news doesn't have a plural, but what is correct in the following example:



We must recognize real news from fake one.



or



We must recognize real news from fake ones.



Thank you in advance






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I know news doesn't have a plural, but what is correct in the following example:



We must recognize real news from fake one.



or



We must recognize real news from fake ones.



Thank you in advance






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I know news doesn't have a plural, but what is correct in the following example:



We must recognize real news from fake one.



or



We must recognize real news from fake ones.



Thank you in advance






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    Related ell.stackexchange.com/q/68501/9161

    – ColleenV♦
    48 mins ago











  • @ColleenV: Nicely found. It's nowhere near a "duplicate", imho, but definitely extremely relevant.

    – FumbleFingers
    35 mins ago














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    Related ell.stackexchange.com/q/68501/9161

    – ColleenV♦
    48 mins ago











  • @ColleenV: Nicely found. It's nowhere near a "duplicate", imho, but definitely extremely relevant.

    – FumbleFingers
    35 mins ago








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Related ell.stackexchange.com/q/68501/9161

– ColleenV♦
48 mins ago





Related ell.stackexchange.com/q/68501/9161

– ColleenV♦
48 mins ago













@ColleenV: Nicely found. It's nowhere near a "duplicate", imho, but definitely extremely relevant.

– FumbleFingers
35 mins ago





@ColleenV: Nicely found. It's nowhere near a "duplicate", imho, but definitely extremely relevant.

– FumbleFingers
35 mins ago










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Neither; either repeat “news” or omit it entirely:



“We must distinguish real news from fake news.”



“We must distinguish real news from fake.”






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  • Interestingly, although I have at least "misgivings" about the usage, I found a few dozen written instances of long trousers, not short ones in Google Books. But you're quite right that we definitely can't / don't / won't use that construction with news.

    – FumbleFingers
    50 mins ago



















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You're right.  The word "news" doesn't have a plural form.  That fact is a good reason to avoid using the pronoun "one". 



There is a useful description for nouns that don't have plural forms.  We call them strictly uncountable.  As either an adjective or a pronoun, the word "one" involves counting. 



Your examples are trying to count something that is strictly uncountable. 






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  • I found A fourth class of bipartite nouns (e.g. scissors, trousers) is generally recognised for English. Might that be as opposed to "not so strictly uncountable" nouns, that we can reference with I want the sharp scissors, not the blunt ones, or He's wearing short trousers, not long ones - whereas we can't do anything like that with news.

    – FumbleFingers
    39 mins ago






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    I don't see much similarity between pluralia tantum and strictly uncountable nouns like "news" and "software". The idea of something being uncountably plural doesn't make sense to me. The lack of a singular form and the lack of a plural form have different consequences.

    – Gary Botnovcan
    29 mins ago











  • But surely trousers and scissors are "uncountably plural", in that we have to use ones rather than one in my examples above. Whatever - Apparently the news are good (or were, back in Carlyle's day), but today the news can only take a singular verb form.

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Neither; either repeat “news” or omit it entirely:



“We must distinguish real news from fake news.”



“We must distinguish real news from fake.”






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  • Interestingly, although I have at least "misgivings" about the usage, I found a few dozen written instances of long trousers, not short ones in Google Books. But you're quite right that we definitely can't / don't / won't use that construction with news.

    – FumbleFingers
    50 mins ago
















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Neither; either repeat “news” or omit it entirely:



“We must distinguish real news from fake news.”



“We must distinguish real news from fake.”






share|improve this answer
























  • Interestingly, although I have at least "misgivings" about the usage, I found a few dozen written instances of long trousers, not short ones in Google Books. But you're quite right that we definitely can't / don't / won't use that construction with news.

    – FumbleFingers
    50 mins ago














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Neither; either repeat “news” or omit it entirely:



“We must distinguish real news from fake news.”



“We must distinguish real news from fake.”






share|improve this answer













Neither; either repeat “news” or omit it entirely:



“We must distinguish real news from fake news.”



“We must distinguish real news from fake.”







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  • Interestingly, although I have at least "misgivings" about the usage, I found a few dozen written instances of long trousers, not short ones in Google Books. But you're quite right that we definitely can't / don't / won't use that construction with news.

    – FumbleFingers
    50 mins ago



















  • Interestingly, although I have at least "misgivings" about the usage, I found a few dozen written instances of long trousers, not short ones in Google Books. But you're quite right that we definitely can't / don't / won't use that construction with news.

    – FumbleFingers
    50 mins ago

















Interestingly, although I have at least "misgivings" about the usage, I found a few dozen written instances of long trousers, not short ones in Google Books. But you're quite right that we definitely can't / don't / won't use that construction with news.

– FumbleFingers
50 mins ago





Interestingly, although I have at least "misgivings" about the usage, I found a few dozen written instances of long trousers, not short ones in Google Books. But you're quite right that we definitely can't / don't / won't use that construction with news.

– FumbleFingers
50 mins ago













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You're right.  The word "news" doesn't have a plural form.  That fact is a good reason to avoid using the pronoun "one". 



There is a useful description for nouns that don't have plural forms.  We call them strictly uncountable.  As either an adjective or a pronoun, the word "one" involves counting. 



Your examples are trying to count something that is strictly uncountable. 






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  • I found A fourth class of bipartite nouns (e.g. scissors, trousers) is generally recognised for English. Might that be as opposed to "not so strictly uncountable" nouns, that we can reference with I want the sharp scissors, not the blunt ones, or He's wearing short trousers, not long ones - whereas we can't do anything like that with news.

    – FumbleFingers
    39 mins ago






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    I don't see much similarity between pluralia tantum and strictly uncountable nouns like "news" and "software". The idea of something being uncountably plural doesn't make sense to me. The lack of a singular form and the lack of a plural form have different consequences.

    – Gary Botnovcan
    29 mins ago











  • But surely trousers and scissors are "uncountably plural", in that we have to use ones rather than one in my examples above. Whatever - Apparently the news are good (or were, back in Carlyle's day), but today the news can only take a singular verb form.

    – FumbleFingers
    9 mins ago
















3














You're right.  The word "news" doesn't have a plural form.  That fact is a good reason to avoid using the pronoun "one". 



There is a useful description for nouns that don't have plural forms.  We call them strictly uncountable.  As either an adjective or a pronoun, the word "one" involves counting. 



Your examples are trying to count something that is strictly uncountable. 






share|improve this answer
























  • I found A fourth class of bipartite nouns (e.g. scissors, trousers) is generally recognised for English. Might that be as opposed to "not so strictly uncountable" nouns, that we can reference with I want the sharp scissors, not the blunt ones, or He's wearing short trousers, not long ones - whereas we can't do anything like that with news.

    – FumbleFingers
    39 mins ago






  • 1





    I don't see much similarity between pluralia tantum and strictly uncountable nouns like "news" and "software". The idea of something being uncountably plural doesn't make sense to me. The lack of a singular form and the lack of a plural form have different consequences.

    – Gary Botnovcan
    29 mins ago











  • But surely trousers and scissors are "uncountably plural", in that we have to use ones rather than one in my examples above. Whatever - Apparently the news are good (or were, back in Carlyle's day), but today the news can only take a singular verb form.

    – FumbleFingers
    9 mins ago














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You're right.  The word "news" doesn't have a plural form.  That fact is a good reason to avoid using the pronoun "one". 



There is a useful description for nouns that don't have plural forms.  We call them strictly uncountable.  As either an adjective or a pronoun, the word "one" involves counting. 



Your examples are trying to count something that is strictly uncountable. 






share|improve this answer













You're right.  The word "news" doesn't have a plural form.  That fact is a good reason to avoid using the pronoun "one". 



There is a useful description for nouns that don't have plural forms.  We call them strictly uncountable.  As either an adjective or a pronoun, the word "one" involves counting. 



Your examples are trying to count something that is strictly uncountable. 







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answered 49 mins ago









Gary BotnovcanGary Botnovcan

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  • I found A fourth class of bipartite nouns (e.g. scissors, trousers) is generally recognised for English. Might that be as opposed to "not so strictly uncountable" nouns, that we can reference with I want the sharp scissors, not the blunt ones, or He's wearing short trousers, not long ones - whereas we can't do anything like that with news.

    – FumbleFingers
    39 mins ago






  • 1





    I don't see much similarity between pluralia tantum and strictly uncountable nouns like "news" and "software". The idea of something being uncountably plural doesn't make sense to me. The lack of a singular form and the lack of a plural form have different consequences.

    – Gary Botnovcan
    29 mins ago











  • But surely trousers and scissors are "uncountably plural", in that we have to use ones rather than one in my examples above. Whatever - Apparently the news are good (or were, back in Carlyle's day), but today the news can only take a singular verb form.

    – FumbleFingers
    9 mins ago



















  • I found A fourth class of bipartite nouns (e.g. scissors, trousers) is generally recognised for English. Might that be as opposed to "not so strictly uncountable" nouns, that we can reference with I want the sharp scissors, not the blunt ones, or He's wearing short trousers, not long ones - whereas we can't do anything like that with news.

    – FumbleFingers
    39 mins ago






  • 1





    I don't see much similarity between pluralia tantum and strictly uncountable nouns like "news" and "software". The idea of something being uncountably plural doesn't make sense to me. The lack of a singular form and the lack of a plural form have different consequences.

    – Gary Botnovcan
    29 mins ago











  • But surely trousers and scissors are "uncountably plural", in that we have to use ones rather than one in my examples above. Whatever - Apparently the news are good (or were, back in Carlyle's day), but today the news can only take a singular verb form.

    – FumbleFingers
    9 mins ago

















I found A fourth class of bipartite nouns (e.g. scissors, trousers) is generally recognised for English. Might that be as opposed to "not so strictly uncountable" nouns, that we can reference with I want the sharp scissors, not the blunt ones, or He's wearing short trousers, not long ones - whereas we can't do anything like that with news.

– FumbleFingers
39 mins ago





I found A fourth class of bipartite nouns (e.g. scissors, trousers) is generally recognised for English. Might that be as opposed to "not so strictly uncountable" nouns, that we can reference with I want the sharp scissors, not the blunt ones, or He's wearing short trousers, not long ones - whereas we can't do anything like that with news.

– FumbleFingers
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I don't see much similarity between pluralia tantum and strictly uncountable nouns like "news" and "software". The idea of something being uncountably plural doesn't make sense to me. The lack of a singular form and the lack of a plural form have different consequences.

– Gary Botnovcan
29 mins ago





I don't see much similarity between pluralia tantum and strictly uncountable nouns like "news" and "software". The idea of something being uncountably plural doesn't make sense to me. The lack of a singular form and the lack of a plural form have different consequences.

– Gary Botnovcan
29 mins ago













But surely trousers and scissors are "uncountably plural", in that we have to use ones rather than one in my examples above. Whatever - Apparently the news are good (or were, back in Carlyle's day), but today the news can only take a singular verb form.

– FumbleFingers
9 mins ago





But surely trousers and scissors are "uncountably plural", in that we have to use ones rather than one in my examples above. Whatever - Apparently the news are good (or were, back in Carlyle's day), but today the news can only take a singular verb form.

– FumbleFingers
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