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My wife plays a wizard. We hear Orcs coming up the hall. The wizard decides to ready a spell for when the door opens. So she casts the spell and holds it until 10 seconds later the door opens initiating the trigger. BOOM the fireball goes off. Combat begins. Can she cast on the first round of combat even though she released the energy of the readied spell as a triggered reaction?



My first inclination is, YES, because she didn't cast the spell at the beginning of combat, she did that when she readied the spell. She just released its energy as a REACTION to the door opening, outlined on page 193.










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My wife plays a wizard. We hear Orcs coming up the hall. The wizard decides to ready a spell for when the door opens. So she casts the spell and holds it until 10 seconds later the door opens initiating the trigger. BOOM the fireball goes off. Combat begins. Can she cast on the first round of combat even though she released the energy of the readied spell as a triggered reaction?



My first inclination is, YES, because she didn't cast the spell at the beginning of combat, she did that when she readied the spell. She just released its energy as a REACTION to the door opening, outlined on page 193.










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My wife plays a wizard. We hear Orcs coming up the hall. The wizard decides to ready a spell for when the door opens. So she casts the spell and holds it until 10 seconds later the door opens initiating the trigger. BOOM the fireball goes off. Combat begins. Can she cast on the first round of combat even though she released the energy of the readied spell as a triggered reaction?



My first inclination is, YES, because she didn't cast the spell at the beginning of combat, she did that when she readied the spell. She just released its energy as a REACTION to the door opening, outlined on page 193.










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My wife plays a wizard. We hear Orcs coming up the hall. The wizard decides to ready a spell for when the door opens. So she casts the spell and holds it until 10 seconds later the door opens initiating the trigger. BOOM the fireball goes off. Combat begins. Can she cast on the first round of combat even though she released the energy of the readied spell as a triggered reaction?



My first inclination is, YES, because she didn't cast the spell at the beginning of combat, she did that when she readied the spell. She just released its energy as a REACTION to the door opening, outlined on page 193.







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No. Readying actions is not how you should handle an ambush.



It is a mistake for the DM to allow players to spend actions (by readying an action to use later) before combat has started. Until you roll for initiative, gameplay isn't broken up into actions in that way.



Instead, the DM should rule that the Orcs are surprised by the players, who have set up an ambush for whoever opens the door. The rules for surprise are written on Page 72 of the Basic Rules and page 189 of the Player's Handbook:




The DM determines who might be surprised. If neither side tries to
be stealthy, they automatically notice each other. Otherwise, the DM
compares the Dexterity (Stealth) checks of anyone hiding with the
passive Wisdom (Perception) score of each creature on the opposing
side. Any character or monster that doesn’t notice a threat is
surprised at the start of the encounter.



If you’re surprised, you can't move or take an action on your first turn of the
combat, and you can't take a reaction until that turn ends. A member of a group can
be surprised even if the other members aren't.




In practice using the regular surprise rules will work out much like allowing the PCs to ready actions before the combat starts. The wizard could cast a fireball on the turn the Orcs spend being surprised, and then another one one the next turn, as the Orcs start to fight. If they roll well enough on initiative, they might get both spells off before the Orcs can do anything at all.



If it makes sense given the situation (or just seems more fun), the DM could probably allow the players to have surprised the Orcs without requiring any Stealth checks. But beware if you're a player and you ask for that, as it might give the DM license to have monsters ambush your party as you go through some future doorway, without allowing you a Perception check either!






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    Yes — everything you say is correct. The only restriction on casting multiple spells on the same turn comes in when you cast a spell as a bonus action. Your reaction is not a bonus action.






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      In this case, the reaction starts the combat. Before the reaction, there is no turn. Once combat starts (after the reaction), she gets her turn, at which point she had casted no spells on her turn.






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      No. Readying actions is not how you should handle an ambush.



      It is a mistake for the DM to allow players to spend actions (by readying an action to use later) before combat has started. Until you roll for initiative, gameplay isn't broken up into actions in that way.



      Instead, the DM should rule that the Orcs are surprised by the players, who have set up an ambush for whoever opens the door. The rules for surprise are written on Page 72 of the Basic Rules and page 189 of the Player's Handbook:




      The DM determines who might be surprised. If neither side tries to
      be stealthy, they automatically notice each other. Otherwise, the DM
      compares the Dexterity (Stealth) checks of anyone hiding with the
      passive Wisdom (Perception) score of each creature on the opposing
      side. Any character or monster that doesn’t notice a threat is
      surprised at the start of the encounter.



      If you’re surprised, you can't move or take an action on your first turn of the
      combat, and you can't take a reaction until that turn ends. A member of a group can
      be surprised even if the other members aren't.




      In practice using the regular surprise rules will work out much like allowing the PCs to ready actions before the combat starts. The wizard could cast a fireball on the turn the Orcs spend being surprised, and then another one one the next turn, as the Orcs start to fight. If they roll well enough on initiative, they might get both spells off before the Orcs can do anything at all.



      If it makes sense given the situation (or just seems more fun), the DM could probably allow the players to have surprised the Orcs without requiring any Stealth checks. But beware if you're a player and you ask for that, as it might give the DM license to have monsters ambush your party as you go through some future doorway, without allowing you a Perception check either!






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        No. Readying actions is not how you should handle an ambush.



        It is a mistake for the DM to allow players to spend actions (by readying an action to use later) before combat has started. Until you roll for initiative, gameplay isn't broken up into actions in that way.



        Instead, the DM should rule that the Orcs are surprised by the players, who have set up an ambush for whoever opens the door. The rules for surprise are written on Page 72 of the Basic Rules and page 189 of the Player's Handbook:




        The DM determines who might be surprised. If neither side tries to
        be stealthy, they automatically notice each other. Otherwise, the DM
        compares the Dexterity (Stealth) checks of anyone hiding with the
        passive Wisdom (Perception) score of each creature on the opposing
        side. Any character or monster that doesn’t notice a threat is
        surprised at the start of the encounter.



        If you’re surprised, you can't move or take an action on your first turn of the
        combat, and you can't take a reaction until that turn ends. A member of a group can
        be surprised even if the other members aren't.




        In practice using the regular surprise rules will work out much like allowing the PCs to ready actions before the combat starts. The wizard could cast a fireball on the turn the Orcs spend being surprised, and then another one one the next turn, as the Orcs start to fight. If they roll well enough on initiative, they might get both spells off before the Orcs can do anything at all.



        If it makes sense given the situation (or just seems more fun), the DM could probably allow the players to have surprised the Orcs without requiring any Stealth checks. But beware if you're a player and you ask for that, as it might give the DM license to have monsters ambush your party as you go through some future doorway, without allowing you a Perception check either!






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          No. Readying actions is not how you should handle an ambush.



          It is a mistake for the DM to allow players to spend actions (by readying an action to use later) before combat has started. Until you roll for initiative, gameplay isn't broken up into actions in that way.



          Instead, the DM should rule that the Orcs are surprised by the players, who have set up an ambush for whoever opens the door. The rules for surprise are written on Page 72 of the Basic Rules and page 189 of the Player's Handbook:




          The DM determines who might be surprised. If neither side tries to
          be stealthy, they automatically notice each other. Otherwise, the DM
          compares the Dexterity (Stealth) checks of anyone hiding with the
          passive Wisdom (Perception) score of each creature on the opposing
          side. Any character or monster that doesn’t notice a threat is
          surprised at the start of the encounter.



          If you’re surprised, you can't move or take an action on your first turn of the
          combat, and you can't take a reaction until that turn ends. A member of a group can
          be surprised even if the other members aren't.




          In practice using the regular surprise rules will work out much like allowing the PCs to ready actions before the combat starts. The wizard could cast a fireball on the turn the Orcs spend being surprised, and then another one one the next turn, as the Orcs start to fight. If they roll well enough on initiative, they might get both spells off before the Orcs can do anything at all.



          If it makes sense given the situation (or just seems more fun), the DM could probably allow the players to have surprised the Orcs without requiring any Stealth checks. But beware if you're a player and you ask for that, as it might give the DM license to have monsters ambush your party as you go through some future doorway, without allowing you a Perception check either!






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          No. Readying actions is not how you should handle an ambush.



          It is a mistake for the DM to allow players to spend actions (by readying an action to use later) before combat has started. Until you roll for initiative, gameplay isn't broken up into actions in that way.



          Instead, the DM should rule that the Orcs are surprised by the players, who have set up an ambush for whoever opens the door. The rules for surprise are written on Page 72 of the Basic Rules and page 189 of the Player's Handbook:




          The DM determines who might be surprised. If neither side tries to
          be stealthy, they automatically notice each other. Otherwise, the DM
          compares the Dexterity (Stealth) checks of anyone hiding with the
          passive Wisdom (Perception) score of each creature on the opposing
          side. Any character or monster that doesn’t notice a threat is
          surprised at the start of the encounter.



          If you’re surprised, you can't move or take an action on your first turn of the
          combat, and you can't take a reaction until that turn ends. A member of a group can
          be surprised even if the other members aren't.




          In practice using the regular surprise rules will work out much like allowing the PCs to ready actions before the combat starts. The wizard could cast a fireball on the turn the Orcs spend being surprised, and then another one one the next turn, as the Orcs start to fight. If they roll well enough on initiative, they might get both spells off before the Orcs can do anything at all.



          If it makes sense given the situation (or just seems more fun), the DM could probably allow the players to have surprised the Orcs without requiring any Stealth checks. But beware if you're a player and you ask for that, as it might give the DM license to have monsters ambush your party as you go through some future doorway, without allowing you a Perception check either!







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              Yes — everything you say is correct. The only restriction on casting multiple spells on the same turn comes in when you cast a spell as a bonus action. Your reaction is not a bonus action.






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                  Yes — everything you say is correct. The only restriction on casting multiple spells on the same turn comes in when you cast a spell as a bonus action. Your reaction is not a bonus action.






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                      In this case, the reaction starts the combat. Before the reaction, there is no turn. Once combat starts (after the reaction), she gets her turn, at which point she had casted no spells on her turn.






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                        I didn't downvote, but there is an unaddressed assumption that it's possible to ready spells/actions before combat begins; perhaps the downvoter felt your answer was unsatisfactory because it failed to address that.
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                      In this case, the reaction starts the combat. Before the reaction, there is no turn. Once combat starts (after the reaction), she gets her turn, at which point she had casted no spells on her turn.






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                      In this case, the reaction starts the combat. Before the reaction, there is no turn. Once combat starts (after the reaction), she gets her turn, at which point she had casted no spells on her turn.






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                      In this case, the reaction starts the combat. Before the reaction, there is no turn. Once combat starts (after the reaction), she gets her turn, at which point she had casted no spells on her turn.







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