What’s the most possible checkmates in one, but with no promoted pieces, in a position?












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What is the most possible checkmates in one without promoted units in a position?



Consider this a part two of this question: How many total checkmates can you possibly make against the enemy king



Promotions are allowed in the game, but the position is not allowed to start with promoted pieces. Promotions count as one move, regardless of promotion type, per pawn.



I have found 37. I have modified the position made for the record for most no promoted units, all possible moves a forced checkmate, made by Harold Holgate Cross. (see it here: https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/24033/a-position-in-which-checkmate-is-forced-obligatory/24067.)



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    If the rook d2 moves to another square of the 2nd file, that's not checkmate as the king will be able to move to d4.
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    – Arnaud Mortier
    Apr 13 at 9:43










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    I think this question is poorly worded. Perhaps "What's the largest number of checkmates in one, all from the same position"?
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    – Acccumulation
    15 mins ago










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    @Acccumulation Fixed!
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    – Rewan Demontay
    3 mins ago


















4












$begingroup$


What is the most possible checkmates in one without promoted units in a position?



Consider this a part two of this question: How many total checkmates can you possibly make against the enemy king



Promotions are allowed in the game, but the position is not allowed to start with promoted pieces. Promotions count as one move, regardless of promotion type, per pawn.



I have found 37. I have modified the position made for the record for most no promoted units, all possible moves a forced checkmate, made by Harold Holgate Cross. (see it here: https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/24033/a-position-in-which-checkmate-is-forced-obligatory/24067.)



enter image description here
See if you can beat that!










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  • $begingroup$
    If the rook d2 moves to another square of the 2nd file, that's not checkmate as the king will be able to move to d4.
    $endgroup$
    – Arnaud Mortier
    Apr 13 at 9:43










  • $begingroup$
    I think this question is poorly worded. Perhaps "What's the largest number of checkmates in one, all from the same position"?
    $endgroup$
    – Acccumulation
    15 mins ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Acccumulation Fixed!
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    3 mins ago
















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4








4





$begingroup$


What is the most possible checkmates in one without promoted units in a position?



Consider this a part two of this question: How many total checkmates can you possibly make against the enemy king



Promotions are allowed in the game, but the position is not allowed to start with promoted pieces. Promotions count as one move, regardless of promotion type, per pawn.



I have found 37. I have modified the position made for the record for most no promoted units, all possible moves a forced checkmate, made by Harold Holgate Cross. (see it here: https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/24033/a-position-in-which-checkmate-is-forced-obligatory/24067.)



enter image description here
See if you can beat that!










share|improve this question











$endgroup$




What is the most possible checkmates in one without promoted units in a position?



Consider this a part two of this question: How many total checkmates can you possibly make against the enemy king



Promotions are allowed in the game, but the position is not allowed to start with promoted pieces. Promotions count as one move, regardless of promotion type, per pawn.



I have found 37. I have modified the position made for the record for most no promoted units, all possible moves a forced checkmate, made by Harold Holgate Cross. (see it here: https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/24033/a-position-in-which-checkmate-is-forced-obligatory/24067.)



enter image description here
See if you can beat that!







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    If the rook d2 moves to another square of the 2nd file, that's not checkmate as the king will be able to move to d4.
    $endgroup$
    – Arnaud Mortier
    Apr 13 at 9:43










  • $begingroup$
    I think this question is poorly worded. Perhaps "What's the largest number of checkmates in one, all from the same position"?
    $endgroup$
    – Acccumulation
    15 mins ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Acccumulation Fixed!
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    3 mins ago




















  • $begingroup$
    If the rook d2 moves to another square of the 2nd file, that's not checkmate as the king will be able to move to d4.
    $endgroup$
    – Arnaud Mortier
    Apr 13 at 9:43










  • $begingroup$
    I think this question is poorly worded. Perhaps "What's the largest number of checkmates in one, all from the same position"?
    $endgroup$
    – Acccumulation
    15 mins ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Acccumulation Fixed!
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    3 mins ago


















$begingroup$
If the rook d2 moves to another square of the 2nd file, that's not checkmate as the king will be able to move to d4.
$endgroup$
– Arnaud Mortier
Apr 13 at 9:43




$begingroup$
If the rook d2 moves to another square of the 2nd file, that's not checkmate as the king will be able to move to d4.
$endgroup$
– Arnaud Mortier
Apr 13 at 9:43












$begingroup$
I think this question is poorly worded. Perhaps "What's the largest number of checkmates in one, all from the same position"?
$endgroup$
– Acccumulation
15 mins ago




$begingroup$
I think this question is poorly worded. Perhaps "What's the largest number of checkmates in one, all from the same position"?
$endgroup$
– Acccumulation
15 mins ago












$begingroup$
@Acccumulation Fixed!
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
3 mins ago






$begingroup$
@Acccumulation Fixed!
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
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Here is an actual 37 (the one you posted has flaws, see comments), contributions given by:




Bishop d4 moves: 13, Rook c2 moves: 14, Knight g4 moves: 2, Queen moves: 8




Picture:




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    I just realized that if the bishop on d4, moves, then the black pawn can block. So that matrix is trash now, mostly.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago












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    But I suppose it would work if you flipped the board around and used a white pawn to blockade the white one.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago



















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I have 36, with the following:




N d7: 2, p g7: 1 (Q or B), R c6: 14, N b5: 2, R e4: 14, Q f3: 2 - 4 possible Q checks leave the rook at e4 unprotected.




Picture:




enter image description here




The secret to more moves here is:




Double protecting all positions around the king, so that I could move any of those pieces to check without worrying that I was leaving a spot open for the king to move into.







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    Another secret is the double rook battery!
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago










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    How does the queen have 6? I only can see two moves where it still protects the rook.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago










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    Only 2/6 squares that the queen can check the black king from, only 2 are checkmate-d3 and f5. This means that there is only 35 mates in one here. If I am missing something here, please do tell.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    44 mins ago












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    @RewanDemontay You are correct. I have an e4 rook problem.
    $endgroup$
    – Joel Rondeau
    4 mins ago










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    It a nice try and idea, however. Perhaps you could try a different idea that uses two rook batteries.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 min ago



















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After looking at Araud Mortier’s position, I found one better.
enter image description here



The move dxe8=Q or dxe8=R adds one more for a total of 38. I shall keep his answer checkmarked though, out of respect.






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    Very nice idea!
    $endgroup$
    – Arnaud Mortier
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    Thx, but see my see my new comment on your answer!
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago












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$begingroup$

Here is an actual 37 (the one you posted has flaws, see comments), contributions given by:




Bishop d4 moves: 13, Rook c2 moves: 14, Knight g4 moves: 2, Queen moves: 8




Picture:




enter image description here







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  • $begingroup$
    I just realized that if the bishop on d4, moves, then the black pawn can block. So that matrix is trash now, mostly.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago












  • $begingroup$
    But I suppose it would work if you flipped the board around and used a white pawn to blockade the white one.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago
















3












$begingroup$

Here is an actual 37 (the one you posted has flaws, see comments), contributions given by:




Bishop d4 moves: 13, Rook c2 moves: 14, Knight g4 moves: 2, Queen moves: 8




Picture:




enter image description here







share|improve this answer









$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    I just realized that if the bishop on d4, moves, then the black pawn can block. So that matrix is trash now, mostly.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago












  • $begingroup$
    But I suppose it would work if you flipped the board around and used a white pawn to blockade the white one.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago














3












3








3





$begingroup$

Here is an actual 37 (the one you posted has flaws, see comments), contributions given by:




Bishop d4 moves: 13, Rook c2 moves: 14, Knight g4 moves: 2, Queen moves: 8




Picture:




enter image description here







share|improve this answer









$endgroup$



Here is an actual 37 (the one you posted has flaws, see comments), contributions given by:




Bishop d4 moves: 13, Rook c2 moves: 14, Knight g4 moves: 2, Queen moves: 8




Picture:




enter image description here








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answered Apr 13 at 10:08









Arnaud MortierArnaud Mortier

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  • $begingroup$
    I just realized that if the bishop on d4, moves, then the black pawn can block. So that matrix is trash now, mostly.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago












  • $begingroup$
    But I suppose it would work if you flipped the board around and used a white pawn to blockade the white one.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago


















  • $begingroup$
    I just realized that if the bishop on d4, moves, then the black pawn can block. So that matrix is trash now, mostly.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago












  • $begingroup$
    But I suppose it would work if you flipped the board around and used a white pawn to blockade the white one.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago
















$begingroup$
I just realized that if the bishop on d4, moves, then the black pawn can block. So that matrix is trash now, mostly.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
1 hour ago






$begingroup$
I just realized that if the bishop on d4, moves, then the black pawn can block. So that matrix is trash now, mostly.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
1 hour ago














$begingroup$
But I suppose it would work if you flipped the board around and used a white pawn to blockade the white one.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
But I suppose it would work if you flipped the board around and used a white pawn to blockade the white one.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
1 hour ago











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$begingroup$

I have 36, with the following:




N d7: 2, p g7: 1 (Q or B), R c6: 14, N b5: 2, R e4: 14, Q f3: 2 - 4 possible Q checks leave the rook at e4 unprotected.




Picture:




enter image description here




The secret to more moves here is:




Double protecting all positions around the king, so that I could move any of those pieces to check without worrying that I was leaving a spot open for the king to move into.







share|improve this answer











$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    Another secret is the double rook battery!
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    How does the queen have 6? I only can see two moves where it still protects the rook.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    Only 2/6 squares that the queen can check the black king from, only 2 are checkmate-d3 and f5. This means that there is only 35 mates in one here. If I am missing something here, please do tell.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    44 mins ago












  • $begingroup$
    @RewanDemontay You are correct. I have an e4 rook problem.
    $endgroup$
    – Joel Rondeau
    4 mins ago










  • $begingroup$
    It a nice try and idea, however. Perhaps you could try a different idea that uses two rook batteries.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 min ago
















2












$begingroup$

I have 36, with the following:




N d7: 2, p g7: 1 (Q or B), R c6: 14, N b5: 2, R e4: 14, Q f3: 2 - 4 possible Q checks leave the rook at e4 unprotected.




Picture:




enter image description here




The secret to more moves here is:




Double protecting all positions around the king, so that I could move any of those pieces to check without worrying that I was leaving a spot open for the king to move into.







share|improve this answer











$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    Another secret is the double rook battery!
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    How does the queen have 6? I only can see two moves where it still protects the rook.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    Only 2/6 squares that the queen can check the black king from, only 2 are checkmate-d3 and f5. This means that there is only 35 mates in one here. If I am missing something here, please do tell.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    44 mins ago












  • $begingroup$
    @RewanDemontay You are correct. I have an e4 rook problem.
    $endgroup$
    – Joel Rondeau
    4 mins ago










  • $begingroup$
    It a nice try and idea, however. Perhaps you could try a different idea that uses two rook batteries.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 min ago














2












2








2





$begingroup$

I have 36, with the following:




N d7: 2, p g7: 1 (Q or B), R c6: 14, N b5: 2, R e4: 14, Q f3: 2 - 4 possible Q checks leave the rook at e4 unprotected.




Picture:




enter image description here




The secret to more moves here is:




Double protecting all positions around the king, so that I could move any of those pieces to check without worrying that I was leaving a spot open for the king to move into.







share|improve this answer











$endgroup$



I have 36, with the following:




N d7: 2, p g7: 1 (Q or B), R c6: 14, N b5: 2, R e4: 14, Q f3: 2 - 4 possible Q checks leave the rook at e4 unprotected.




Picture:




enter image description here




The secret to more moves here is:




Double protecting all positions around the king, so that I could move any of those pieces to check without worrying that I was leaving a spot open for the king to move into.








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answered 1 hour ago









Joel RondeauJoel Rondeau

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  • $begingroup$
    Another secret is the double rook battery!
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    How does the queen have 6? I only can see two moves where it still protects the rook.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    Only 2/6 squares that the queen can check the black king from, only 2 are checkmate-d3 and f5. This means that there is only 35 mates in one here. If I am missing something here, please do tell.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    44 mins ago












  • $begingroup$
    @RewanDemontay You are correct. I have an e4 rook problem.
    $endgroup$
    – Joel Rondeau
    4 mins ago










  • $begingroup$
    It a nice try and idea, however. Perhaps you could try a different idea that uses two rook batteries.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 min ago


















  • $begingroup$
    Another secret is the double rook battery!
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    How does the queen have 6? I only can see two moves where it still protects the rook.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    Only 2/6 squares that the queen can check the black king from, only 2 are checkmate-d3 and f5. This means that there is only 35 mates in one here. If I am missing something here, please do tell.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    44 mins ago












  • $begingroup$
    @RewanDemontay You are correct. I have an e4 rook problem.
    $endgroup$
    – Joel Rondeau
    4 mins ago










  • $begingroup$
    It a nice try and idea, however. Perhaps you could try a different idea that uses two rook batteries.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 min ago
















$begingroup$
Another secret is the double rook battery!
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
Another secret is the double rook battery!
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
1 hour ago












$begingroup$
How does the queen have 6? I only can see two moves where it still protects the rook.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
How does the queen have 6? I only can see two moves where it still protects the rook.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
1 hour ago












$begingroup$
Only 2/6 squares that the queen can check the black king from, only 2 are checkmate-d3 and f5. This means that there is only 35 mates in one here. If I am missing something here, please do tell.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
44 mins ago






$begingroup$
Only 2/6 squares that the queen can check the black king from, only 2 are checkmate-d3 and f5. This means that there is only 35 mates in one here. If I am missing something here, please do tell.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
44 mins ago














$begingroup$
@RewanDemontay You are correct. I have an e4 rook problem.
$endgroup$
– Joel Rondeau
4 mins ago




$begingroup$
@RewanDemontay You are correct. I have an e4 rook problem.
$endgroup$
– Joel Rondeau
4 mins ago












$begingroup$
It a nice try and idea, however. Perhaps you could try a different idea that uses two rook batteries.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
1 min ago




$begingroup$
It a nice try and idea, however. Perhaps you could try a different idea that uses two rook batteries.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
1 min ago











1












$begingroup$

After looking at Araud Mortier’s position, I found one better.
enter image description here



The move dxe8=Q or dxe8=R adds one more for a total of 38. I shall keep his answer checkmarked though, out of respect.






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  • $begingroup$
    Very nice idea!
    $endgroup$
    – Arnaud Mortier
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    Thx, but see my see my new comment on your answer!
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago
















1












$begingroup$

After looking at Araud Mortier’s position, I found one better.
enter image description here



The move dxe8=Q or dxe8=R adds one more for a total of 38. I shall keep his answer checkmarked though, out of respect.






share|improve this answer









$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    Very nice idea!
    $endgroup$
    – Arnaud Mortier
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    Thx, but see my see my new comment on your answer!
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago














1












1








1





$begingroup$

After looking at Araud Mortier’s position, I found one better.
enter image description here



The move dxe8=Q or dxe8=R adds one more for a total of 38. I shall keep his answer checkmarked though, out of respect.






share|improve this answer









$endgroup$



After looking at Araud Mortier’s position, I found one better.
enter image description here



The move dxe8=Q or dxe8=R adds one more for a total of 38. I shall keep his answer checkmarked though, out of respect.







share|improve this answer












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answered Apr 18 at 23:52









Rewan DemontayRewan Demontay

944118




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  • $begingroup$
    Very nice idea!
    $endgroup$
    – Arnaud Mortier
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    Thx, but see my see my new comment on your answer!
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago


















  • $begingroup$
    Very nice idea!
    $endgroup$
    – Arnaud Mortier
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    Thx, but see my see my new comment on your answer!
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    1 hour ago
















$begingroup$
Very nice idea!
$endgroup$
– Arnaud Mortier
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
Very nice idea!
$endgroup$
– Arnaud Mortier
1 hour ago












$begingroup$
Thx, but see my see my new comment on your answer!
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
Thx, but see my see my new comment on your answer!
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
1 hour ago


















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