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There are many websites offering pre-submission review services for a fee of several hunderd dollars, e.g., editage, editeon, enago and others.



In general this seems like a useful service - instead of waiting several months to get feedback from the journal referees (and probably a rejection), the author receives feedback after a week, and can then improve the paper and submit to the journal.



However, just like there are predatory journals, it is reasonable to fear that there are "predatory review services", that take your money and produce a worthless review.



So, my question is: what is a way to detect a good pre-submission peer-review service, and distinguish it from a predatory one?










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    If you need one of these services, then what have y6ou and your supervisor been doing...

    – Solar Mike
    1 hour ago











  • @SolarMike I do not have a supervisor now... I graduated a year ago. You reminded me to update my profile...

    – Erel Segal-Halevi
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There are many websites offering pre-submission review services for a fee of several hunderd dollars, e.g., editage, editeon, enago and others.



In general this seems like a useful service - instead of waiting several months to get feedback from the journal referees (and probably a rejection), the author receives feedback after a week, and can then improve the paper and submit to the journal.



However, just like there are predatory journals, it is reasonable to fear that there are "predatory review services", that take your money and produce a worthless review.



So, my question is: what is a way to detect a good pre-submission peer-review service, and distinguish it from a predatory one?










share|improve this question


















  • 1





    If you need one of these services, then what have y6ou and your supervisor been doing...

    – Solar Mike
    1 hour ago











  • @SolarMike I do not have a supervisor now... I graduated a year ago. You reminded me to update my profile...

    – Erel Segal-Halevi
    6 mins ago
















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There are many websites offering pre-submission review services for a fee of several hunderd dollars, e.g., editage, editeon, enago and others.



In general this seems like a useful service - instead of waiting several months to get feedback from the journal referees (and probably a rejection), the author receives feedback after a week, and can then improve the paper and submit to the journal.



However, just like there are predatory journals, it is reasonable to fear that there are "predatory review services", that take your money and produce a worthless review.



So, my question is: what is a way to detect a good pre-submission peer-review service, and distinguish it from a predatory one?










share|improve this question














There are many websites offering pre-submission review services for a fee of several hunderd dollars, e.g., editage, editeon, enago and others.



In general this seems like a useful service - instead of waiting several months to get feedback from the journal referees (and probably a rejection), the author receives feedback after a week, and can then improve the paper and submit to the journal.



However, just like there are predatory journals, it is reasonable to fear that there are "predatory review services", that take your money and produce a worthless review.



So, my question is: what is a way to detect a good pre-submission peer-review service, and distinguish it from a predatory one?







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  • 1





    If you need one of these services, then what have y6ou and your supervisor been doing...

    – Solar Mike
    1 hour ago











  • @SolarMike I do not have a supervisor now... I graduated a year ago. You reminded me to update my profile...

    – Erel Segal-Halevi
    6 mins ago
















  • 1





    If you need one of these services, then what have y6ou and your supervisor been doing...

    – Solar Mike
    1 hour ago











  • @SolarMike I do not have a supervisor now... I graduated a year ago. You reminded me to update my profile...

    – Erel Segal-Halevi
    6 mins ago










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If you need one of these services, then what have y6ou and your supervisor been doing...

– Solar Mike
1 hour ago





If you need one of these services, then what have y6ou and your supervisor been doing...

– Solar Mike
1 hour ago













@SolarMike I do not have a supervisor now... I graduated a year ago. You reminded me to update my profile...

– Erel Segal-Halevi
6 mins ago







@SolarMike I do not have a supervisor now... I graduated a year ago. You reminded me to update my profile...

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The pre-submission peer review seems to cost about $250 USD for a one week turn around. That is not enough money to find an expert in the field to do the review. It is enough money to get someone familiar with the publishing process in a general field (e.g., biomedical research, engineering, humanities) who knows the core components of a paper (i.e., do you need to include statistics, do the methods seem reasonable, is there an introduction that at least pretends to make sense) and can follow a logical argument. Lots of papers get rejected for these reasons so such a review can be valuable. This is especially true if you do not have any colleagues you can pass the paper by. That said, you would be much better served developing a network of colleagues who you can pass a manuscript by prior to submission then to use one of these services.



Prior to using the service, I would ask to see a previous sample of their work. Unlike a predatory journal, which makes publishing somewhere else difficult, using one of these services only costs you money.






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  • 1





    Re your last sentence: If that's really a rogue scam service, actually, the worst thing that could happen is "they take your paper, put a different name on it, and publish it on a predatory journal".

    – Federico Poloni
    27 mins ago













  • @FedericoPoloni I would hope that reputable publishers would be willing to forgive such a nightmare scenerio and publish the work anyways.

    – StrongBad
    17 mins ago



















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I think you mean proof-reading. This is totally different thing from peer-reviewing. The peer-reviewing process refers to academics and experts in your fields giving you scientific feedback. This is usually offered through conferences, symposiums, and journals. Anything else is suspicious and you should not go for. While proof-reading is editorial feedback (grammar, spelling, etc.). It is up to your institutions rule whether to allow third-party proof-reading or not. You should look into your institution's rules. There are some who define what a proof-reader can/can not do, while some institutions prohibit this specially for students.



UPDATE:
It is clear to me that you mean peer-reviews. As I said, this is suspicious. Respectful academics who can give useful review provide this service throgh known channels: conferences, journals, symposiums, etc.
Also, these channels ask these reviewers to confirm they will not disclose your work and they treat it confidentially. Other channels can disclose your work especially if you do not know the committee and if they do not have reputation to care about.



My advise: about my self, I will stay away from such shady channels. I only submit to legitimate known channels with clearly defined committee and rules. If something went wrong, there is a chair I can talk to. Otherwise you may find yourself in troubles.






share|improve this answer





















  • 1





    If you read the linked pages, these services really claim that they do technical reviewing "like a true peer review".

    – Federico Poloni
    1 hour ago













  • This sounds suspicious. Respectful experts in the fields do not go for these services. The channels to get peer-reviews in academia are known since ages. I listed examples like conferences, journals, symposiums.

    – None
    1 hour ago











  • Yeah, clearly those reviewers are not going to be experts in my field --- at least, no one I've met in a conference ever mentioned having a side job for edit-something-dot-com. The question is whether they can really provide feedback of comparable quality: an experienced researcher may be able to make useful comments on my paper even if they work only in a neighboring field. I'm skeptical, but it's very difficult to tell in advance without having tested them.

    – Federico Poloni
    1 hour ago








  • 1





    I met someone who told as they were bi-lingual they could deal with any translation... They failed with an article about stresses and fractures in a loaded shaft...

    – Solar Mike
    48 mins ago






  • 1





    @FedericoPoloni think about really bad manuscripts you have reviewed. I would guess that even someone halfway competent in a related field could likely improve them by a lot since in most fields introductions and discussion sections need to be comprehendable to more than just experts.

    – StrongBad
    43 mins ago











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The pre-submission peer review seems to cost about $250 USD for a one week turn around. That is not enough money to find an expert in the field to do the review. It is enough money to get someone familiar with the publishing process in a general field (e.g., biomedical research, engineering, humanities) who knows the core components of a paper (i.e., do you need to include statistics, do the methods seem reasonable, is there an introduction that at least pretends to make sense) and can follow a logical argument. Lots of papers get rejected for these reasons so such a review can be valuable. This is especially true if you do not have any colleagues you can pass the paper by. That said, you would be much better served developing a network of colleagues who you can pass a manuscript by prior to submission then to use one of these services.



Prior to using the service, I would ask to see a previous sample of their work. Unlike a predatory journal, which makes publishing somewhere else difficult, using one of these services only costs you money.






share|improve this answer



















  • 1





    Re your last sentence: If that's really a rogue scam service, actually, the worst thing that could happen is "they take your paper, put a different name on it, and publish it on a predatory journal".

    – Federico Poloni
    27 mins ago













  • @FedericoPoloni I would hope that reputable publishers would be willing to forgive such a nightmare scenerio and publish the work anyways.

    – StrongBad
    17 mins ago
















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The pre-submission peer review seems to cost about $250 USD for a one week turn around. That is not enough money to find an expert in the field to do the review. It is enough money to get someone familiar with the publishing process in a general field (e.g., biomedical research, engineering, humanities) who knows the core components of a paper (i.e., do you need to include statistics, do the methods seem reasonable, is there an introduction that at least pretends to make sense) and can follow a logical argument. Lots of papers get rejected for these reasons so such a review can be valuable. This is especially true if you do not have any colleagues you can pass the paper by. That said, you would be much better served developing a network of colleagues who you can pass a manuscript by prior to submission then to use one of these services.



Prior to using the service, I would ask to see a previous sample of their work. Unlike a predatory journal, which makes publishing somewhere else difficult, using one of these services only costs you money.






share|improve this answer



















  • 1





    Re your last sentence: If that's really a rogue scam service, actually, the worst thing that could happen is "they take your paper, put a different name on it, and publish it on a predatory journal".

    – Federico Poloni
    27 mins ago













  • @FedericoPoloni I would hope that reputable publishers would be willing to forgive such a nightmare scenerio and publish the work anyways.

    – StrongBad
    17 mins ago














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The pre-submission peer review seems to cost about $250 USD for a one week turn around. That is not enough money to find an expert in the field to do the review. It is enough money to get someone familiar with the publishing process in a general field (e.g., biomedical research, engineering, humanities) who knows the core components of a paper (i.e., do you need to include statistics, do the methods seem reasonable, is there an introduction that at least pretends to make sense) and can follow a logical argument. Lots of papers get rejected for these reasons so such a review can be valuable. This is especially true if you do not have any colleagues you can pass the paper by. That said, you would be much better served developing a network of colleagues who you can pass a manuscript by prior to submission then to use one of these services.



Prior to using the service, I would ask to see a previous sample of their work. Unlike a predatory journal, which makes publishing somewhere else difficult, using one of these services only costs you money.






share|improve this answer













The pre-submission peer review seems to cost about $250 USD for a one week turn around. That is not enough money to find an expert in the field to do the review. It is enough money to get someone familiar with the publishing process in a general field (e.g., biomedical research, engineering, humanities) who knows the core components of a paper (i.e., do you need to include statistics, do the methods seem reasonable, is there an introduction that at least pretends to make sense) and can follow a logical argument. Lots of papers get rejected for these reasons so such a review can be valuable. This is especially true if you do not have any colleagues you can pass the paper by. That said, you would be much better served developing a network of colleagues who you can pass a manuscript by prior to submission then to use one of these services.



Prior to using the service, I would ask to see a previous sample of their work. Unlike a predatory journal, which makes publishing somewhere else difficult, using one of these services only costs you money.







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  • 1





    Re your last sentence: If that's really a rogue scam service, actually, the worst thing that could happen is "they take your paper, put a different name on it, and publish it on a predatory journal".

    – Federico Poloni
    27 mins ago













  • @FedericoPoloni I would hope that reputable publishers would be willing to forgive such a nightmare scenerio and publish the work anyways.

    – StrongBad
    17 mins ago














  • 1





    Re your last sentence: If that's really a rogue scam service, actually, the worst thing that could happen is "they take your paper, put a different name on it, and publish it on a predatory journal".

    – Federico Poloni
    27 mins ago













  • @FedericoPoloni I would hope that reputable publishers would be willing to forgive such a nightmare scenerio and publish the work anyways.

    – StrongBad
    17 mins ago








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Re your last sentence: If that's really a rogue scam service, actually, the worst thing that could happen is "they take your paper, put a different name on it, and publish it on a predatory journal".

– Federico Poloni
27 mins ago







Re your last sentence: If that's really a rogue scam service, actually, the worst thing that could happen is "they take your paper, put a different name on it, and publish it on a predatory journal".

– Federico Poloni
27 mins ago















@FedericoPoloni I would hope that reputable publishers would be willing to forgive such a nightmare scenerio and publish the work anyways.

– StrongBad
17 mins ago





@FedericoPoloni I would hope that reputable publishers would be willing to forgive such a nightmare scenerio and publish the work anyways.

– StrongBad
17 mins ago











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I think you mean proof-reading. This is totally different thing from peer-reviewing. The peer-reviewing process refers to academics and experts in your fields giving you scientific feedback. This is usually offered through conferences, symposiums, and journals. Anything else is suspicious and you should not go for. While proof-reading is editorial feedback (grammar, spelling, etc.). It is up to your institutions rule whether to allow third-party proof-reading or not. You should look into your institution's rules. There are some who define what a proof-reader can/can not do, while some institutions prohibit this specially for students.



UPDATE:
It is clear to me that you mean peer-reviews. As I said, this is suspicious. Respectful academics who can give useful review provide this service throgh known channels: conferences, journals, symposiums, etc.
Also, these channels ask these reviewers to confirm they will not disclose your work and they treat it confidentially. Other channels can disclose your work especially if you do not know the committee and if they do not have reputation to care about.



My advise: about my self, I will stay away from such shady channels. I only submit to legitimate known channels with clearly defined committee and rules. If something went wrong, there is a chair I can talk to. Otherwise you may find yourself in troubles.






share|improve this answer





















  • 1





    If you read the linked pages, these services really claim that they do technical reviewing "like a true peer review".

    – Federico Poloni
    1 hour ago













  • This sounds suspicious. Respectful experts in the fields do not go for these services. The channels to get peer-reviews in academia are known since ages. I listed examples like conferences, journals, symposiums.

    – None
    1 hour ago











  • Yeah, clearly those reviewers are not going to be experts in my field --- at least, no one I've met in a conference ever mentioned having a side job for edit-something-dot-com. The question is whether they can really provide feedback of comparable quality: an experienced researcher may be able to make useful comments on my paper even if they work only in a neighboring field. I'm skeptical, but it's very difficult to tell in advance without having tested them.

    – Federico Poloni
    1 hour ago








  • 1





    I met someone who told as they were bi-lingual they could deal with any translation... They failed with an article about stresses and fractures in a loaded shaft...

    – Solar Mike
    48 mins ago






  • 1





    @FedericoPoloni think about really bad manuscripts you have reviewed. I would guess that even someone halfway competent in a related field could likely improve them by a lot since in most fields introductions and discussion sections need to be comprehendable to more than just experts.

    – StrongBad
    43 mins ago
















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I think you mean proof-reading. This is totally different thing from peer-reviewing. The peer-reviewing process refers to academics and experts in your fields giving you scientific feedback. This is usually offered through conferences, symposiums, and journals. Anything else is suspicious and you should not go for. While proof-reading is editorial feedback (grammar, spelling, etc.). It is up to your institutions rule whether to allow third-party proof-reading or not. You should look into your institution's rules. There are some who define what a proof-reader can/can not do, while some institutions prohibit this specially for students.



UPDATE:
It is clear to me that you mean peer-reviews. As I said, this is suspicious. Respectful academics who can give useful review provide this service throgh known channels: conferences, journals, symposiums, etc.
Also, these channels ask these reviewers to confirm they will not disclose your work and they treat it confidentially. Other channels can disclose your work especially if you do not know the committee and if they do not have reputation to care about.



My advise: about my self, I will stay away from such shady channels. I only submit to legitimate known channels with clearly defined committee and rules. If something went wrong, there is a chair I can talk to. Otherwise you may find yourself in troubles.






share|improve this answer





















  • 1





    If you read the linked pages, these services really claim that they do technical reviewing "like a true peer review".

    – Federico Poloni
    1 hour ago













  • This sounds suspicious. Respectful experts in the fields do not go for these services. The channels to get peer-reviews in academia are known since ages. I listed examples like conferences, journals, symposiums.

    – None
    1 hour ago











  • Yeah, clearly those reviewers are not going to be experts in my field --- at least, no one I've met in a conference ever mentioned having a side job for edit-something-dot-com. The question is whether they can really provide feedback of comparable quality: an experienced researcher may be able to make useful comments on my paper even if they work only in a neighboring field. I'm skeptical, but it's very difficult to tell in advance without having tested them.

    – Federico Poloni
    1 hour ago








  • 1





    I met someone who told as they were bi-lingual they could deal with any translation... They failed with an article about stresses and fractures in a loaded shaft...

    – Solar Mike
    48 mins ago






  • 1





    @FedericoPoloni think about really bad manuscripts you have reviewed. I would guess that even someone halfway competent in a related field could likely improve them by a lot since in most fields introductions and discussion sections need to be comprehendable to more than just experts.

    – StrongBad
    43 mins ago














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I think you mean proof-reading. This is totally different thing from peer-reviewing. The peer-reviewing process refers to academics and experts in your fields giving you scientific feedback. This is usually offered through conferences, symposiums, and journals. Anything else is suspicious and you should not go for. While proof-reading is editorial feedback (grammar, spelling, etc.). It is up to your institutions rule whether to allow third-party proof-reading or not. You should look into your institution's rules. There are some who define what a proof-reader can/can not do, while some institutions prohibit this specially for students.



UPDATE:
It is clear to me that you mean peer-reviews. As I said, this is suspicious. Respectful academics who can give useful review provide this service throgh known channels: conferences, journals, symposiums, etc.
Also, these channels ask these reviewers to confirm they will not disclose your work and they treat it confidentially. Other channels can disclose your work especially if you do not know the committee and if they do not have reputation to care about.



My advise: about my self, I will stay away from such shady channels. I only submit to legitimate known channels with clearly defined committee and rules. If something went wrong, there is a chair I can talk to. Otherwise you may find yourself in troubles.






share|improve this answer















I think you mean proof-reading. This is totally different thing from peer-reviewing. The peer-reviewing process refers to academics and experts in your fields giving you scientific feedback. This is usually offered through conferences, symposiums, and journals. Anything else is suspicious and you should not go for. While proof-reading is editorial feedback (grammar, spelling, etc.). It is up to your institutions rule whether to allow third-party proof-reading or not. You should look into your institution's rules. There are some who define what a proof-reader can/can not do, while some institutions prohibit this specially for students.



UPDATE:
It is clear to me that you mean peer-reviews. As I said, this is suspicious. Respectful academics who can give useful review provide this service throgh known channels: conferences, journals, symposiums, etc.
Also, these channels ask these reviewers to confirm they will not disclose your work and they treat it confidentially. Other channels can disclose your work especially if you do not know the committee and if they do not have reputation to care about.



My advise: about my self, I will stay away from such shady channels. I only submit to legitimate known channels with clearly defined committee and rules. If something went wrong, there is a chair I can talk to. Otherwise you may find yourself in troubles.







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  • 1





    If you read the linked pages, these services really claim that they do technical reviewing "like a true peer review".

    – Federico Poloni
    1 hour ago













  • This sounds suspicious. Respectful experts in the fields do not go for these services. The channels to get peer-reviews in academia are known since ages. I listed examples like conferences, journals, symposiums.

    – None
    1 hour ago











  • Yeah, clearly those reviewers are not going to be experts in my field --- at least, no one I've met in a conference ever mentioned having a side job for edit-something-dot-com. The question is whether they can really provide feedback of comparable quality: an experienced researcher may be able to make useful comments on my paper even if they work only in a neighboring field. I'm skeptical, but it's very difficult to tell in advance without having tested them.

    – Federico Poloni
    1 hour ago








  • 1





    I met someone who told as they were bi-lingual they could deal with any translation... They failed with an article about stresses and fractures in a loaded shaft...

    – Solar Mike
    48 mins ago






  • 1





    @FedericoPoloni think about really bad manuscripts you have reviewed. I would guess that even someone halfway competent in a related field could likely improve them by a lot since in most fields introductions and discussion sections need to be comprehendable to more than just experts.

    – StrongBad
    43 mins ago














  • 1





    If you read the linked pages, these services really claim that they do technical reviewing "like a true peer review".

    – Federico Poloni
    1 hour ago













  • This sounds suspicious. Respectful experts in the fields do not go for these services. The channels to get peer-reviews in academia are known since ages. I listed examples like conferences, journals, symposiums.

    – None
    1 hour ago











  • Yeah, clearly those reviewers are not going to be experts in my field --- at least, no one I've met in a conference ever mentioned having a side job for edit-something-dot-com. The question is whether they can really provide feedback of comparable quality: an experienced researcher may be able to make useful comments on my paper even if they work only in a neighboring field. I'm skeptical, but it's very difficult to tell in advance without having tested them.

    – Federico Poloni
    1 hour ago








  • 1





    I met someone who told as they were bi-lingual they could deal with any translation... They failed with an article about stresses and fractures in a loaded shaft...

    – Solar Mike
    48 mins ago






  • 1





    @FedericoPoloni think about really bad manuscripts you have reviewed. I would guess that even someone halfway competent in a related field could likely improve them by a lot since in most fields introductions and discussion sections need to be comprehendable to more than just experts.

    – StrongBad
    43 mins ago








1




1





If you read the linked pages, these services really claim that they do technical reviewing "like a true peer review".

– Federico Poloni
1 hour ago







If you read the linked pages, these services really claim that they do technical reviewing "like a true peer review".

– Federico Poloni
1 hour ago















This sounds suspicious. Respectful experts in the fields do not go for these services. The channels to get peer-reviews in academia are known since ages. I listed examples like conferences, journals, symposiums.

– None
1 hour ago





This sounds suspicious. Respectful experts in the fields do not go for these services. The channels to get peer-reviews in academia are known since ages. I listed examples like conferences, journals, symposiums.

– None
1 hour ago













Yeah, clearly those reviewers are not going to be experts in my field --- at least, no one I've met in a conference ever mentioned having a side job for edit-something-dot-com. The question is whether they can really provide feedback of comparable quality: an experienced researcher may be able to make useful comments on my paper even if they work only in a neighboring field. I'm skeptical, but it's very difficult to tell in advance without having tested them.

– Federico Poloni
1 hour ago







Yeah, clearly those reviewers are not going to be experts in my field --- at least, no one I've met in a conference ever mentioned having a side job for edit-something-dot-com. The question is whether they can really provide feedback of comparable quality: an experienced researcher may be able to make useful comments on my paper even if they work only in a neighboring field. I'm skeptical, but it's very difficult to tell in advance without having tested them.

– Federico Poloni
1 hour ago






1




1





I met someone who told as they were bi-lingual they could deal with any translation... They failed with an article about stresses and fractures in a loaded shaft...

– Solar Mike
48 mins ago





I met someone who told as they were bi-lingual they could deal with any translation... They failed with an article about stresses and fractures in a loaded shaft...

– Solar Mike
48 mins ago




1




1





@FedericoPoloni think about really bad manuscripts you have reviewed. I would guess that even someone halfway competent in a related field could likely improve them by a lot since in most fields introductions and discussion sections need to be comprehendable to more than just experts.

– StrongBad
43 mins ago





@FedericoPoloni think about really bad manuscripts you have reviewed. I would guess that even someone halfway competent in a related field could likely improve them by a lot since in most fields introductions and discussion sections need to be comprehendable to more than just experts.

– StrongBad
43 mins ago


















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