Why are there 40 737 Max planes in flight when they have been grounded as not airworthy?
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Many countries have already grounded 737 Max planes and as of today the FAA have stated:
The aircraft will not fly until a software update can be tested and installed, the US regulator said.
So why are there currently 40 737 Max planes in flight according to FlightAware?
Who would be liable should one of these flights crash on takeoff, potentially over a densely populated urban environment?
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Many countries have already grounded 737 Max planes and as of today the FAA have stated:
The aircraft will not fly until a software update can be tested and installed, the US regulator said.
So why are there currently 40 737 Max planes in flight according to FlightAware?
Who would be liable should one of these flights crash on takeoff, potentially over a densely populated urban environment?
faa-regulations boeing-737
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The flightaware data is wrong.
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– Ben
55 mins ago
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@Ben Really? What is wrong with it?
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– DavidPostill
54 mins ago
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@Ben uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TOM733 shows Aircraft information Aircraft Type Boeing 737 MAX 8 (twin-jet)
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– DavidPostill
52 mins ago
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I don't know enough about how it gets the data but flightradar 24 gets data directly from the aircraft ADSB transmitter and it shows none of them flying at the moment. I corroborated this when flightaware displayed a Max in Australian airspace yesterday when the aircraft has been subbed to a normal 737-800.
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– Ben
50 mins ago
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TOM733 is currently operated by G-FDZY which is not a Max
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– Ben
47 mins ago
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Many countries have already grounded 737 Max planes and as of today the FAA have stated:
The aircraft will not fly until a software update can be tested and installed, the US regulator said.
So why are there currently 40 737 Max planes in flight according to FlightAware?
Who would be liable should one of these flights crash on takeoff, potentially over a densely populated urban environment?
faa-regulations boeing-737
asked 1 hour ago
DavidPostillDavidPostill
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Many countries have already grounded 737 Max planes and as of today the FAA have stated:
The aircraft will not fly until a software update can be tested and installed, the US regulator said.
So why are there currently 40 737 Max planes in flight according to FlightAware?
Who would be liable should one of these flights crash on takeoff, potentially over a densely populated urban environment?
faa-regulations boeing-737
faa-regulations boeing-737
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The flightaware data is wrong.
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– Ben
55 mins ago
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@Ben Really? What is wrong with it?
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– DavidPostill
54 mins ago
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@Ben uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TOM733 shows Aircraft information Aircraft Type Boeing 737 MAX 8 (twin-jet)
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– DavidPostill
52 mins ago
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I don't know enough about how it gets the data but flightradar 24 gets data directly from the aircraft ADSB transmitter and it shows none of them flying at the moment. I corroborated this when flightaware displayed a Max in Australian airspace yesterday when the aircraft has been subbed to a normal 737-800.
$endgroup$
– Ben
50 mins ago
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TOM733 is currently operated by G-FDZY which is not a Max
$endgroup$
– Ben
47 mins ago
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show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
The flightaware data is wrong.
$endgroup$
– Ben
55 mins ago
1
$begingroup$
@Ben Really? What is wrong with it?
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
54 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Ben uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TOM733 shows Aircraft information Aircraft Type Boeing 737 MAX 8 (twin-jet)
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
52 mins ago
$begingroup$
I don't know enough about how it gets the data but flightradar 24 gets data directly from the aircraft ADSB transmitter and it shows none of them flying at the moment. I corroborated this when flightaware displayed a Max in Australian airspace yesterday when the aircraft has been subbed to a normal 737-800.
$endgroup$
– Ben
50 mins ago
$begingroup$
TOM733 is currently operated by G-FDZY which is not a Max
$endgroup$
– Ben
47 mins ago
$begingroup$
The flightaware data is wrong.
$endgroup$
– Ben
55 mins ago
$begingroup$
The flightaware data is wrong.
$endgroup$
– Ben
55 mins ago
1
1
$begingroup$
@Ben Really? What is wrong with it?
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
54 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Ben Really? What is wrong with it?
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
54 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Ben uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TOM733 shows Aircraft information Aircraft Type Boeing 737 MAX 8 (twin-jet)
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
52 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Ben uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TOM733 shows Aircraft information Aircraft Type Boeing 737 MAX 8 (twin-jet)
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
52 mins ago
$begingroup$
I don't know enough about how it gets the data but flightradar 24 gets data directly from the aircraft ADSB transmitter and it shows none of them flying at the moment. I corroborated this when flightaware displayed a Max in Australian airspace yesterday when the aircraft has been subbed to a normal 737-800.
$endgroup$
– Ben
50 mins ago
$begingroup$
I don't know enough about how it gets the data but flightradar 24 gets data directly from the aircraft ADSB transmitter and it shows none of them flying at the moment. I corroborated this when flightaware displayed a Max in Australian airspace yesterday when the aircraft has been subbed to a normal 737-800.
$endgroup$
– Ben
50 mins ago
$begingroup$
TOM733 is currently operated by G-FDZY which is not a Max
$endgroup$
– Ben
47 mins ago
$begingroup$
TOM733 is currently operated by G-FDZY which is not a Max
$endgroup$
– Ben
47 mins ago
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Most of them are probably on a ferry flight. The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 flight legs without passengers.
Some of them are travelling between countries where they are not grounded.
When a commercial plane crashes, the airline is liable, unless it can prove that the manufacturer is at fault.
answered 1 hour ago
boglbogl
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One of them (from Agadir) is flying into Manchester Airport. They are grounded in European airspace.
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– DavidPostill
1 hour ago
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They are grounded for passenger flights. The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 legs without passengers.
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– bogl
1 hour ago
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"The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 flight legs without passengers" - to get the plane to a location where any corrective action can be taken. There is (yet) no corrective action, and when there is it will be a software upgrade which can be done just about anywhere...
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– DavidPostill
1 hour ago
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@DavidPostill no. you want to do any change to your aircraft at your maintenance facilities, where your technicians are, and they are not "just about anywhere"
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– Federico♦
1 hour ago
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It's generally cheaper to ferry the plane to the techs than it is to ferry the techs to the plane
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– UnrecognizedFallingObject
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Most of them are probably on a ferry flight. The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 flight legs without passengers.
Some of them are travelling between countries where they are not grounded.
When a commercial plane crashes, the airline is liable, unless it can prove that the manufacturer is at fault.
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One of them (from Agadir) is flying into Manchester Airport. They are grounded in European airspace.
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
1 hour ago
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They are grounded for passenger flights. The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 legs without passengers.
$endgroup$
– bogl
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
"The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 flight legs without passengers" - to get the plane to a location where any corrective action can be taken. There is (yet) no corrective action, and when there is it will be a software upgrade which can be done just about anywhere...
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
@DavidPostill no. you want to do any change to your aircraft at your maintenance facilities, where your technicians are, and they are not "just about anywhere"
$endgroup$
– Federico♦
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
It's generally cheaper to ferry the plane to the techs than it is to ferry the techs to the plane
$endgroup$
– UnrecognizedFallingObject
just now
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7
$begingroup$
Most of them are probably on a ferry flight. The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 flight legs without passengers.
Some of them are travelling between countries where they are not grounded.
When a commercial plane crashes, the airline is liable, unless it can prove that the manufacturer is at fault.
answered 1 hour ago
boglbogl
3,9351733
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
One of them (from Agadir) is flying into Manchester Airport. They are grounded in European airspace.
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
They are grounded for passenger flights. The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 legs without passengers.
$endgroup$
– bogl
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
"The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 flight legs without passengers" - to get the plane to a location where any corrective action can be taken. There is (yet) no corrective action, and when there is it will be a software upgrade which can be done just about anywhere...
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
@DavidPostill no. you want to do any change to your aircraft at your maintenance facilities, where your technicians are, and they are not "just about anywhere"
$endgroup$
– Federico♦
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
It's generally cheaper to ferry the plane to the techs than it is to ferry the techs to the plane
$endgroup$
– UnrecognizedFallingObject
just now
add a comment |
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7
7
$begingroup$
Most of them are probably on a ferry flight. The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 flight legs without passengers.
Some of them are travelling between countries where they are not grounded.
When a commercial plane crashes, the airline is liable, unless it can prove that the manufacturer is at fault.
answered 1 hour ago
boglbogl
3,9351733
$endgroup$
Most of them are probably on a ferry flight. The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 flight legs without passengers.
Some of them are travelling between countries where they are not grounded.
When a commercial plane crashes, the airline is liable, unless it can prove that the manufacturer is at fault.
answered 1 hour ago
boglbogl
3,9351733
edited 1 hour ago
answered 1 hour ago
boglbogl
3,9351733
answered 1 hour ago
boglbogl
3,9351733
answered 1 hour ago
boglbogl
3,9351733
3,9351733
$begingroup$
One of them (from Agadir) is flying into Manchester Airport. They are grounded in European airspace.
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
They are grounded for passenger flights. The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 legs without passengers.
$endgroup$
– bogl
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
"The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 flight legs without passengers" - to get the plane to a location where any corrective action can be taken. There is (yet) no corrective action, and when there is it will be a software upgrade which can be done just about anywhere...
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
@DavidPostill no. you want to do any change to your aircraft at your maintenance facilities, where your technicians are, and they are not "just about anywhere"
$endgroup$
– Federico♦
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
It's generally cheaper to ferry the plane to the techs than it is to ferry the techs to the plane
$endgroup$
– UnrecognizedFallingObject
just now
add a comment |
$begingroup$
One of them (from Agadir) is flying into Manchester Airport. They are grounded in European airspace.
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
They are grounded for passenger flights. The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 legs without passengers.
$endgroup$
– bogl
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
"The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 flight legs without passengers" - to get the plane to a location where any corrective action can be taken. There is (yet) no corrective action, and when there is it will be a software upgrade which can be done just about anywhere...
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
@DavidPostill no. you want to do any change to your aircraft at your maintenance facilities, where your technicians are, and they are not "just about anywhere"
$endgroup$
– Federico♦
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
It's generally cheaper to ferry the plane to the techs than it is to ferry the techs to the plane
$endgroup$
– UnrecognizedFallingObject
just now
$begingroup$
One of them (from Agadir) is flying into Manchester Airport. They are grounded in European airspace.
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
One of them (from Agadir) is flying into Manchester Airport. They are grounded in European airspace.
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
1 hour ago
2
2
$begingroup$
They are grounded for passenger flights. The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 legs without passengers.
$endgroup$
– bogl
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
They are grounded for passenger flights. The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 legs without passengers.
$endgroup$
– bogl
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
"The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 flight legs without passengers" - to get the plane to a location where any corrective action can be taken. There is (yet) no corrective action, and when there is it will be a software upgrade which can be done just about anywhere...
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
"The EASA directive allows 1 transfer with up to 3 flight legs without passengers" - to get the plane to a location where any corrective action can be taken. There is (yet) no corrective action, and when there is it will be a software upgrade which can be done just about anywhere...
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
1 hour ago
2
2
$begingroup$
@DavidPostill no. you want to do any change to your aircraft at your maintenance facilities, where your technicians are, and they are not "just about anywhere"
$endgroup$
– Federico♦
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@DavidPostill no. you want to do any change to your aircraft at your maintenance facilities, where your technicians are, and they are not "just about anywhere"
$endgroup$
– Federico♦
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
It's generally cheaper to ferry the plane to the techs than it is to ferry the techs to the plane
$endgroup$
– UnrecognizedFallingObject
just now
$begingroup$
It's generally cheaper to ferry the plane to the techs than it is to ferry the techs to the plane
$endgroup$
– UnrecognizedFallingObject
just now
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The flightaware data is wrong.
$endgroup$
– Ben
55 mins ago
1
$begingroup$
@Ben Really? What is wrong with it?
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
54 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Ben uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TOM733 shows Aircraft information Aircraft Type Boeing 737 MAX 8 (twin-jet)
$endgroup$
– DavidPostill
52 mins ago
$begingroup$
I don't know enough about how it gets the data but flightradar 24 gets data directly from the aircraft ADSB transmitter and it shows none of them flying at the moment. I corroborated this when flightaware displayed a Max in Australian airspace yesterday when the aircraft has been subbed to a normal 737-800.
$endgroup$
– Ben
50 mins ago
$begingroup$
TOM733 is currently operated by G-FDZY which is not a Max
$endgroup$
– Ben
47 mins ago