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I would like to have a city sitting on top of a large iron deposit that will be mined by the inhabitants of the city. Is that feasible for them? Won't the city collapse under the mines? Are there some other issues I should be aware of?










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    Why on Earth would anybody do this? Iron ore deposits are not particularly rare, and iron ore is not particularly expensive; which is to say, it's dirt cheap and has always been dirt cheap. (Current price for excellent iron ore is about 90 USD per metric ton; that's 2 grams of gold for 1 ton of iron ore.) Moreover, economically viable iron ore deposits are extensive; the inhabitants would normally be extracting the ore from the mountains around the city, not from beneath the city itself. Even the question speaks about a "large" deposit of iron ore; why then go underneath the city?
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    Good points, thanks! The territories outside of the cities are generally unsafe, so people limit the exposure to minimum (mostly for growing food).
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    presumably the danger is on the surface, is there anything to stop them tunnelling out from within the safe area? depending on what the threat is from, short-term surface expeditions or breaches to create (and then partially fill in, depending on drilling technology or etc) ventilation.
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    That's a cool idea - but the danger is actually both above and below. It's the iron itself that makes the city safe.
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I would like to have a city sitting on top of a large iron deposit that will be mined by the inhabitants of the city. Is that feasible for them? Won't the city collapse under the mines? Are there some other issues I should be aware of?










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    Why on Earth would anybody do this? Iron ore deposits are not particularly rare, and iron ore is not particularly expensive; which is to say, it's dirt cheap and has always been dirt cheap. (Current price for excellent iron ore is about 90 USD per metric ton; that's 2 grams of gold for 1 ton of iron ore.) Moreover, economically viable iron ore deposits are extensive; the inhabitants would normally be extracting the ore from the mountains around the city, not from beneath the city itself. Even the question speaks about a "large" deposit of iron ore; why then go underneath the city?
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    Good points, thanks! The territories outside of the cities are generally unsafe, so people limit the exposure to minimum (mostly for growing food).
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    presumably the danger is on the surface, is there anything to stop them tunnelling out from within the safe area? depending on what the threat is from, short-term surface expeditions or breaches to create (and then partially fill in, depending on drilling technology or etc) ventilation.
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    That's a cool idea - but the danger is actually both above and below. It's the iron itself that makes the city safe.
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    Why on Earth would anybody do this? Iron ore deposits are not particularly rare, and iron ore is not particularly expensive; which is to say, it's dirt cheap and has always been dirt cheap. (Current price for excellent iron ore is about 90 USD per metric ton; that's 2 grams of gold for 1 ton of iron ore.) Moreover, economically viable iron ore deposits are extensive; the inhabitants would normally be extracting the ore from the mountains around the city, not from beneath the city itself. Even the question speaks about a "large" deposit of iron ore; why then go underneath the city?
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    Good points, thanks! The territories outside of the cities are generally unsafe, so people limit the exposure to minimum (mostly for growing food).
    $endgroup$
    – gruszczy
    2 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    presumably the danger is on the surface, is there anything to stop them tunnelling out from within the safe area? depending on what the threat is from, short-term surface expeditions or breaches to create (and then partially fill in, depending on drilling technology or etc) ventilation.
    $endgroup$
    – Giu Piete
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  • $begingroup$
    That's a cool idea - but the danger is actually both above and below. It's the iron itself that makes the city safe.
    $endgroup$
    – gruszczy
    1 hour ago














  • 6




    $begingroup$
    Why on Earth would anybody do this? Iron ore deposits are not particularly rare, and iron ore is not particularly expensive; which is to say, it's dirt cheap and has always been dirt cheap. (Current price for excellent iron ore is about 90 USD per metric ton; that's 2 grams of gold for 1 ton of iron ore.) Moreover, economically viable iron ore deposits are extensive; the inhabitants would normally be extracting the ore from the mountains around the city, not from beneath the city itself. Even the question speaks about a "large" deposit of iron ore; why then go underneath the city?
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  • $begingroup$
    Good points, thanks! The territories outside of the cities are generally unsafe, so people limit the exposure to minimum (mostly for growing food).
    $endgroup$
    – gruszczy
    2 hours ago










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    presumably the danger is on the surface, is there anything to stop them tunnelling out from within the safe area? depending on what the threat is from, short-term surface expeditions or breaches to create (and then partially fill in, depending on drilling technology or etc) ventilation.
    $endgroup$
    – Giu Piete
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    That's a cool idea - but the danger is actually both above and below. It's the iron itself that makes the city safe.
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Why on Earth would anybody do this? Iron ore deposits are not particularly rare, and iron ore is not particularly expensive; which is to say, it's dirt cheap and has always been dirt cheap. (Current price for excellent iron ore is about 90 USD per metric ton; that's 2 grams of gold for 1 ton of iron ore.) Moreover, economically viable iron ore deposits are extensive; the inhabitants would normally be extracting the ore from the mountains around the city, not from beneath the city itself. Even the question speaks about a "large" deposit of iron ore; why then go underneath the city?
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Why on Earth would anybody do this? Iron ore deposits are not particularly rare, and iron ore is not particularly expensive; which is to say, it's dirt cheap and has always been dirt cheap. (Current price for excellent iron ore is about 90 USD per metric ton; that's 2 grams of gold for 1 ton of iron ore.) Moreover, economically viable iron ore deposits are extensive; the inhabitants would normally be extracting the ore from the mountains around the city, not from beneath the city itself. Even the question speaks about a "large" deposit of iron ore; why then go underneath the city?
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Good points, thanks! The territories outside of the cities are generally unsafe, so people limit the exposure to minimum (mostly for growing food).
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Good points, thanks! The territories outside of the cities are generally unsafe, so people limit the exposure to minimum (mostly for growing food).
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presumably the danger is on the surface, is there anything to stop them tunnelling out from within the safe area? depending on what the threat is from, short-term surface expeditions or breaches to create (and then partially fill in, depending on drilling technology or etc) ventilation.
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presumably the danger is on the surface, is there anything to stop them tunnelling out from within the safe area? depending on what the threat is from, short-term surface expeditions or breaches to create (and then partially fill in, depending on drilling technology or etc) ventilation.
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That's a cool idea - but the danger is actually both above and below. It's the iron itself that makes the city safe.
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There are cities with extensive mining operations below them. The most famous is probably Paris.



https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2011/02/paris-catacombs/




Under Paris there are spaces of all kinds: canals and reservoirs,
crypts and bank vaults, wine cellars transformed into nightclubs and
galleries. Most surprising of all are the carrières—the old limestone
quarries that fan out in a deep and intricate web under many
neighborhoods, mostly in the southern part of the metropolis... Into
the 19th century those caverns and tunnels were mined for building
stone.




You can tour the Paris catacombs full of bones, but the tunnels were there before they put the bones there. And there are apparently many more tunnels than are occupied by bones. Kansas City also has extensive limestone quarries beneath it, although of course more recent (and less chaotic) than the ones in Paris.



I found reference to the Kiruna Mine which is a mine underneath a city of 24,000. Wikipedia states that subsidence related to the mine has affected some parts of the city.






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    Pretty sure one of the oldest salt mines has a city on top of it. Somewhere in Hungary or Poland.
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    Wieliczka, should have thought about it! Thanks.
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    @gruszczy It does raise the question of why not just live in the mine?
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    Good point - I think it makes sense for people to do live there! They would need to be aware though that iron is keeping them safe though.
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    Underground quarries sound very cool too, will be useful!
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If iron is that valuable, sure.



Detroit, Michigan is built on top of some pretty extensive salt mines.



The first image shows the vertical extent of the salt mines:



enter image description here



The second picture shows the horizontal extent of the mines:



enter image description here



All that you really need for a city to live on top of the mine is to have the mine deep enough and/or have enough structure left around the mine so it doesn't collapse (you want that anyway).






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    Sweet! Thanks a lot for a great example!
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There are cities with extensive mining operations below them. The most famous is probably Paris.



https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2011/02/paris-catacombs/




Under Paris there are spaces of all kinds: canals and reservoirs,
crypts and bank vaults, wine cellars transformed into nightclubs and
galleries. Most surprising of all are the carrières—the old limestone
quarries that fan out in a deep and intricate web under many
neighborhoods, mostly in the southern part of the metropolis... Into
the 19th century those caverns and tunnels were mined for building
stone.




You can tour the Paris catacombs full of bones, but the tunnels were there before they put the bones there. And there are apparently many more tunnels than are occupied by bones. Kansas City also has extensive limestone quarries beneath it, although of course more recent (and less chaotic) than the ones in Paris.



I found reference to the Kiruna Mine which is a mine underneath a city of 24,000. Wikipedia states that subsidence related to the mine has affected some parts of the city.






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    Pretty sure one of the oldest salt mines has a city on top of it. Somewhere in Hungary or Poland.
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    Wieliczka, should have thought about it! Thanks.
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    @gruszczy It does raise the question of why not just live in the mine?
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    Good point - I think it makes sense for people to do live there! They would need to be aware though that iron is keeping them safe though.
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    Underground quarries sound very cool too, will be useful!
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There are cities with extensive mining operations below them. The most famous is probably Paris.



https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2011/02/paris-catacombs/




Under Paris there are spaces of all kinds: canals and reservoirs,
crypts and bank vaults, wine cellars transformed into nightclubs and
galleries. Most surprising of all are the carrières—the old limestone
quarries that fan out in a deep and intricate web under many
neighborhoods, mostly in the southern part of the metropolis... Into
the 19th century those caverns and tunnels were mined for building
stone.




You can tour the Paris catacombs full of bones, but the tunnels were there before they put the bones there. And there are apparently many more tunnels than are occupied by bones. Kansas City also has extensive limestone quarries beneath it, although of course more recent (and less chaotic) than the ones in Paris.



I found reference to the Kiruna Mine which is a mine underneath a city of 24,000. Wikipedia states that subsidence related to the mine has affected some parts of the city.






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    Pretty sure one of the oldest salt mines has a city on top of it. Somewhere in Hungary or Poland.
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    – user2259716
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    Wieliczka, should have thought about it! Thanks.
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    @gruszczy It does raise the question of why not just live in the mine?
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    Good point - I think it makes sense for people to do live there! They would need to be aware though that iron is keeping them safe though.
    $endgroup$
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    1 hour ago










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    Underground quarries sound very cool too, will be useful!
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    1 hour ago














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There are cities with extensive mining operations below them. The most famous is probably Paris.



https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2011/02/paris-catacombs/




Under Paris there are spaces of all kinds: canals and reservoirs,
crypts and bank vaults, wine cellars transformed into nightclubs and
galleries. Most surprising of all are the carrières—the old limestone
quarries that fan out in a deep and intricate web under many
neighborhoods, mostly in the southern part of the metropolis... Into
the 19th century those caverns and tunnels were mined for building
stone.




You can tour the Paris catacombs full of bones, but the tunnels were there before they put the bones there. And there are apparently many more tunnels than are occupied by bones. Kansas City also has extensive limestone quarries beneath it, although of course more recent (and less chaotic) than the ones in Paris.



I found reference to the Kiruna Mine which is a mine underneath a city of 24,000. Wikipedia states that subsidence related to the mine has affected some parts of the city.






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There are cities with extensive mining operations below them. The most famous is probably Paris.



https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2011/02/paris-catacombs/




Under Paris there are spaces of all kinds: canals and reservoirs,
crypts and bank vaults, wine cellars transformed into nightclubs and
galleries. Most surprising of all are the carrières—the old limestone
quarries that fan out in a deep and intricate web under many
neighborhoods, mostly in the southern part of the metropolis... Into
the 19th century those caverns and tunnels were mined for building
stone.




You can tour the Paris catacombs full of bones, but the tunnels were there before they put the bones there. And there are apparently many more tunnels than are occupied by bones. Kansas City also has extensive limestone quarries beneath it, although of course more recent (and less chaotic) than the ones in Paris.



I found reference to the Kiruna Mine which is a mine underneath a city of 24,000. Wikipedia states that subsidence related to the mine has affected some parts of the city.







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    Pretty sure one of the oldest salt mines has a city on top of it. Somewhere in Hungary or Poland.
    $endgroup$
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    Wieliczka, should have thought about it! Thanks.
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    @gruszczy It does raise the question of why not just live in the mine?
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    – user2259716
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    Good point - I think it makes sense for people to do live there! They would need to be aware though that iron is keeping them safe though.
    $endgroup$
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  • $begingroup$
    Underground quarries sound very cool too, will be useful!
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    Pretty sure one of the oldest salt mines has a city on top of it. Somewhere in Hungary or Poland.
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    Wieliczka, should have thought about it! Thanks.
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  • $begingroup$
    @gruszczy It does raise the question of why not just live in the mine?
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    Good point - I think it makes sense for people to do live there! They would need to be aware though that iron is keeping them safe though.
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    1 hour ago










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    Underground quarries sound very cool too, will be useful!
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Pretty sure one of the oldest salt mines has a city on top of it. Somewhere in Hungary or Poland.
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Pretty sure one of the oldest salt mines has a city on top of it. Somewhere in Hungary or Poland.
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Wieliczka, should have thought about it! Thanks.
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Wieliczka, should have thought about it! Thanks.
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@gruszczy It does raise the question of why not just live in the mine?
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@gruszczy It does raise the question of why not just live in the mine?
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Good point - I think it makes sense for people to do live there! They would need to be aware though that iron is keeping them safe though.
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Good point - I think it makes sense for people to do live there! They would need to be aware though that iron is keeping them safe though.
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Underground quarries sound very cool too, will be useful!
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If iron is that valuable, sure.



Detroit, Michigan is built on top of some pretty extensive salt mines.



The first image shows the vertical extent of the salt mines:



enter image description here



The second picture shows the horizontal extent of the mines:



enter image description here



All that you really need for a city to live on top of the mine is to have the mine deep enough and/or have enough structure left around the mine so it doesn't collapse (you want that anyway).






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    Sweet! Thanks a lot for a great example!
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    And have it not be a coal mine that catches fire...
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If iron is that valuable, sure.



Detroit, Michigan is built on top of some pretty extensive salt mines.



The first image shows the vertical extent of the salt mines:



enter image description here



The second picture shows the horizontal extent of the mines:



enter image description here



All that you really need for a city to live on top of the mine is to have the mine deep enough and/or have enough structure left around the mine so it doesn't collapse (you want that anyway).






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    Sweet! Thanks a lot for a great example!
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    – gruszczy
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    And have it not be a coal mine that catches fire...
    $endgroup$
    – Jon Custer
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If iron is that valuable, sure.



Detroit, Michigan is built on top of some pretty extensive salt mines.



The first image shows the vertical extent of the salt mines:



enter image description here



The second picture shows the horizontal extent of the mines:



enter image description here



All that you really need for a city to live on top of the mine is to have the mine deep enough and/or have enough structure left around the mine so it doesn't collapse (you want that anyway).






share|improve this answer









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If iron is that valuable, sure.



Detroit, Michigan is built on top of some pretty extensive salt mines.



The first image shows the vertical extent of the salt mines:



enter image description here



The second picture shows the horizontal extent of the mines:



enter image description here



All that you really need for a city to live on top of the mine is to have the mine deep enough and/or have enough structure left around the mine so it doesn't collapse (you want that anyway).







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    Sweet! Thanks a lot for a great example!
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    And have it not be a coal mine that catches fire...
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    – Jon Custer
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  • $begingroup$
    Sweet! Thanks a lot for a great example!
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    – gruszczy
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    And have it not be a coal mine that catches fire...
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Sweet! Thanks a lot for a great example!
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Sweet! Thanks a lot for a great example!
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And have it not be a coal mine that catches fire...
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And have it not be a coal mine that catches fire...
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