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When did history begin, according to the most accepted view among Western historians'? (credible sources would be appreciated)
I vaguely remember from my Marxist-oriented history courses in high school that history began when the first form of government arose. Is that the case for Western historians? If not, when? Around the time the first anatomically modern humans arose? The date of the earliest written records?
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When did history begin, according to the most accepted view among Western historians'? (credible sources would be appreciated)
I vaguely remember from my Marxist-oriented history courses in high school that history began when the first form of government arose. Is that the case for Western historians? If not, when? Around the time the first anatomically modern humans arose? The date of the earliest written records?
historiography terminology
put on hold as primarily opinion-based by Pieter Geerkens, Jos, José Carlos Santos, pnuts, LangLangC 5 hours ago
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Why "written records"? Those cave paintings hold much information - surely they are relevant...
– Solar Mike
12 hours ago
@SolarMike I've seen that idea floating around while Googling this. If it's the view, then you can probably say cavemen were prehistoric.
– Vun-Hugh Vaw
11 hours ago
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@Close-voters: I don't think this is primarily opinion based. It's a complicated terminology issue that is dependent on context, but there's fairly clear definitions for most of the various types of "history".
– Semaphore♦
5 hours ago
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@Semaphore If you're confident enough for a friendly edit in the direction of OP wishes and intentions to get this going again, I'm easily excited.
– LangLangC
4 hours ago
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When did history begin, according to the most accepted view among Western historians'? (credible sources would be appreciated)
I vaguely remember from my Marxist-oriented history courses in high school that history began when the first form of government arose. Is that the case for Western historians? If not, when? Around the time the first anatomically modern humans arose? The date of the earliest written records?
historiography terminology
When did history begin, according to the most accepted view among Western historians'? (credible sources would be appreciated)
I vaguely remember from my Marxist-oriented history courses in high school that history began when the first form of government arose. Is that the case for Western historians? If not, when? Around the time the first anatomically modern humans arose? The date of the earliest written records?
historiography terminology
historiography terminology
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Why "written records"? Those cave paintings hold much information - surely they are relevant...
– Solar Mike
12 hours ago
@SolarMike I've seen that idea floating around while Googling this. If it's the view, then you can probably say cavemen were prehistoric.
– Vun-Hugh Vaw
11 hours ago
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@Close-voters: I don't think this is primarily opinion based. It's a complicated terminology issue that is dependent on context, but there's fairly clear definitions for most of the various types of "history".
– Semaphore♦
5 hours ago
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@Semaphore If you're confident enough for a friendly edit in the direction of OP wishes and intentions to get this going again, I'm easily excited.
– LangLangC
4 hours ago
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This question would benefit from preliminary research. Please don't respond in comments - comments raise questions, and the question should be edited to respond to comments. Everything you need to know to answer the question should be in the question. If the question is edited to include the comments and shows some preliminary research, I'll reverse my downvote and recommend a re-open.
– Mark C. Wallace♦
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Why "written records"? Those cave paintings hold much information - surely they are relevant...
– Solar Mike
12 hours ago
@SolarMike I've seen that idea floating around while Googling this. If it's the view, then you can probably say cavemen were prehistoric.
– Vun-Hugh Vaw
11 hours ago
1
@Close-voters: I don't think this is primarily opinion based. It's a complicated terminology issue that is dependent on context, but there's fairly clear definitions for most of the various types of "history".
– Semaphore♦
5 hours ago
1
@Semaphore If you're confident enough for a friendly edit in the direction of OP wishes and intentions to get this going again, I'm easily excited.
– LangLangC
4 hours ago
2
This question would benefit from preliminary research. Please don't respond in comments - comments raise questions, and the question should be edited to respond to comments. Everything you need to know to answer the question should be in the question. If the question is edited to include the comments and shows some preliminary research, I'll reverse my downvote and recommend a re-open.
– Mark C. Wallace♦
1 hour ago
Why "written records"? Those cave paintings hold much information - surely they are relevant...
– Solar Mike
12 hours ago
Why "written records"? Those cave paintings hold much information - surely they are relevant...
– Solar Mike
12 hours ago
@SolarMike I've seen that idea floating around while Googling this. If it's the view, then you can probably say cavemen were prehistoric.
– Vun-Hugh Vaw
11 hours ago
@SolarMike I've seen that idea floating around while Googling this. If it's the view, then you can probably say cavemen were prehistoric.
– Vun-Hugh Vaw
11 hours ago
1
1
@Close-voters: I don't think this is primarily opinion based. It's a complicated terminology issue that is dependent on context, but there's fairly clear definitions for most of the various types of "history".
– Semaphore♦
5 hours ago
@Close-voters: I don't think this is primarily opinion based. It's a complicated terminology issue that is dependent on context, but there's fairly clear definitions for most of the various types of "history".
– Semaphore♦
5 hours ago
1
1
@Semaphore If you're confident enough for a friendly edit in the direction of OP wishes and intentions to get this going again, I'm easily excited.
– LangLangC
4 hours ago
@Semaphore If you're confident enough for a friendly edit in the direction of OP wishes and intentions to get this going again, I'm easily excited.
– LangLangC
4 hours ago
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This question would benefit from preliminary research. Please don't respond in comments - comments raise questions, and the question should be edited to respond to comments. Everything you need to know to answer the question should be in the question. If the question is edited to include the comments and shows some preliminary research, I'll reverse my downvote and recommend a re-open.
– Mark C. Wallace♦
1 hour ago
This question would benefit from preliminary research. Please don't respond in comments - comments raise questions, and the question should be edited to respond to comments. Everything you need to know to answer the question should be in the question. If the question is edited to include the comments and shows some preliminary research, I'll reverse my downvote and recommend a re-open.
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It depends on which history you mean.
As an academic discipline, "history" is usually taken to mean the human past, and thus began with humans. This could be the emergence of homo sapiens (300,000 BP), or stone-tool wielding homoninds (3.3 million BP), or even further back, the evolutionary divergence of humans from chimpanzees.
Specifically, history in the sense of "recorded history", began by definition with the first written records - this is also the traditional domain of historians, and what hence what history usually means when not otherwise qualified. What occurred before that is held to be "prehistory", for which archaeologists are our main source. Finally, the often chaotic transition from prehistory to (recorded) history can be termed "protohistory".
All three terms describe a part of (human) history, and is often referred to simply as "history" in common parlance (though this is especially so for recorded history). It doesn't help that the lines between the three can be very blurred, as you can see from the Chinese example. Moreover, although writing developed as early as 3,000 B.C., it took thousands of years to spread to all regions. Thus, the delineation between (recorded) history and prehistory differs by location.
Beyond human history, there's a variety of other meanings. For geologists, geological history began when the Earth formed 4.5 billions years ago.. Similarly, to astrophysicists cosmological history dates back to the Big Bang as pnuts mentioned (or possibly even before per @DevSolar).
None of this is particularly "western", though - the Chinese for instance also makes the history/prehistory distinction, although their terms for it are "credible history" and "dubious period" respectively.
Well, some astrophysicists are actually even interested in what was before the Big Bang, it's just that the archaeological base is rather slim. ;-)
– DevSolar
8 hours ago
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Also expected: when our history began, and what we consider it to encompass?
– LangLangC
4 hours ago
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History is referred to the first written records know until now, which are the Sumerian cuneiform clay tablets, around 3300 and 3100 BCE.
There are many other ancient writings, but these cuneiform tablets are the oldest ones proven that are coherent, dated (from their authors) and recorded actual events.
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The discipline of history begins with the changes in western writing about the past that we associate with Ranke and his contemporaries. These changes broadly moved the proper subject of historical discourse to be the explanation of the past as it was. Prior to the changes associated with Ranke, writers used the past to exemplify moral tales. Additionally as the standards of discourse were moralising, the documentary record of the past was discounted in favour of moralising: people made up edifying stuff before Ranke. After Ranke making stuff up, or even not reading widely enough, could end a career.
The discipline of history, which originated as a “western” writing style considers history to be the analysis of the documentary records of the past (with rules about how analysis is conducted). As the subject of history is the documentary record of the past, history in a “western” sense begins with the beginning of the documentary record of the past: chiefly the written record but also high quality oral transmissions.
Western cultural traditions allow for a plurality of opinions. They also support “authority” particularly in self-reinforcing academic traditions. While some religious or cultural traditions in western culture claim history is other than what historians say it is, historians currently monopolise research funding in widely recognised universities.
For example, some people in western society consider “history” to be whatever the King James Version of the bible says. While Western societies allow these people to hold these beliefs, they’re not imprisoned, the esteemed knowledge systems of Western culture dismiss this belief. “History” as if it were biblical literalism is consigned to under recognised theology faculty in under recognised privately funded religious universities.
For example, some people in western cultures consider real knowledge about the past as only being capable of being produced by groups of working class people working together. Sometimes this is accepted by western knowledge systems where the work meets the standards of the scholarly discipline of high Pru, Wendy Lowensteins oral histories for example. However the internally focused rantings of minor Marxist sects who honour the leaders moral judgements above the documents are rejected by the western scholarly community. History as “praxic co-learning” has been confined to Marxist parties, at the point where this interfaces with scholarly history only those worker’s and people’s histories which conform to scholarly standards have been accepted by the scholarly community. The rest has been confined to propaganda pamphlets and the back pages of orthotrot newspapers.
The most accepted scholarly view is the above. The most accepted view is your local nationalist bastardisation of “1066 and all that”. Aussie Aussie Aussie. Oik oik oik.
You got me following you to a certain degree, up to the third-to-last paragraph, at which point you utterly lost me. What?
– DevSolar
5 hours ago
I think this answer answers a different question from the one that was asked, possibly confused by the different possible uses of the word 'history'.
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It depends on which history you mean.
As an academic discipline, "history" is usually taken to mean the human past, and thus began with humans. This could be the emergence of homo sapiens (300,000 BP), or stone-tool wielding homoninds (3.3 million BP), or even further back, the evolutionary divergence of humans from chimpanzees.
Specifically, history in the sense of "recorded history", began by definition with the first written records - this is also the traditional domain of historians, and what hence what history usually means when not otherwise qualified. What occurred before that is held to be "prehistory", for which archaeologists are our main source. Finally, the often chaotic transition from prehistory to (recorded) history can be termed "protohistory".
All three terms describe a part of (human) history, and is often referred to simply as "history" in common parlance (though this is especially so for recorded history). It doesn't help that the lines between the three can be very blurred, as you can see from the Chinese example. Moreover, although writing developed as early as 3,000 B.C., it took thousands of years to spread to all regions. Thus, the delineation between (recorded) history and prehistory differs by location.
Beyond human history, there's a variety of other meanings. For geologists, geological history began when the Earth formed 4.5 billions years ago.. Similarly, to astrophysicists cosmological history dates back to the Big Bang as pnuts mentioned (or possibly even before per @DevSolar).
None of this is particularly "western", though - the Chinese for instance also makes the history/prehistory distinction, although their terms for it are "credible history" and "dubious period" respectively.
Well, some astrophysicists are actually even interested in what was before the Big Bang, it's just that the archaeological base is rather slim. ;-)
– DevSolar
8 hours ago
1
Also expected: when our history began, and what we consider it to encompass?
– LangLangC
4 hours ago
add a comment |
It depends on which history you mean.
As an academic discipline, "history" is usually taken to mean the human past, and thus began with humans. This could be the emergence of homo sapiens (300,000 BP), or stone-tool wielding homoninds (3.3 million BP), or even further back, the evolutionary divergence of humans from chimpanzees.
Specifically, history in the sense of "recorded history", began by definition with the first written records - this is also the traditional domain of historians, and what hence what history usually means when not otherwise qualified. What occurred before that is held to be "prehistory", for which archaeologists are our main source. Finally, the often chaotic transition from prehistory to (recorded) history can be termed "protohistory".
All three terms describe a part of (human) history, and is often referred to simply as "history" in common parlance (though this is especially so for recorded history). It doesn't help that the lines between the three can be very blurred, as you can see from the Chinese example. Moreover, although writing developed as early as 3,000 B.C., it took thousands of years to spread to all regions. Thus, the delineation between (recorded) history and prehistory differs by location.
Beyond human history, there's a variety of other meanings. For geologists, geological history began when the Earth formed 4.5 billions years ago.. Similarly, to astrophysicists cosmological history dates back to the Big Bang as pnuts mentioned (or possibly even before per @DevSolar).
None of this is particularly "western", though - the Chinese for instance also makes the history/prehistory distinction, although their terms for it are "credible history" and "dubious period" respectively.
Well, some astrophysicists are actually even interested in what was before the Big Bang, it's just that the archaeological base is rather slim. ;-)
– DevSolar
8 hours ago
1
Also expected: when our history began, and what we consider it to encompass?
– LangLangC
4 hours ago
add a comment |
It depends on which history you mean.
As an academic discipline, "history" is usually taken to mean the human past, and thus began with humans. This could be the emergence of homo sapiens (300,000 BP), or stone-tool wielding homoninds (3.3 million BP), or even further back, the evolutionary divergence of humans from chimpanzees.
Specifically, history in the sense of "recorded history", began by definition with the first written records - this is also the traditional domain of historians, and what hence what history usually means when not otherwise qualified. What occurred before that is held to be "prehistory", for which archaeologists are our main source. Finally, the often chaotic transition from prehistory to (recorded) history can be termed "protohistory".
All three terms describe a part of (human) history, and is often referred to simply as "history" in common parlance (though this is especially so for recorded history). It doesn't help that the lines between the three can be very blurred, as you can see from the Chinese example. Moreover, although writing developed as early as 3,000 B.C., it took thousands of years to spread to all regions. Thus, the delineation between (recorded) history and prehistory differs by location.
Beyond human history, there's a variety of other meanings. For geologists, geological history began when the Earth formed 4.5 billions years ago.. Similarly, to astrophysicists cosmological history dates back to the Big Bang as pnuts mentioned (or possibly even before per @DevSolar).
None of this is particularly "western", though - the Chinese for instance also makes the history/prehistory distinction, although their terms for it are "credible history" and "dubious period" respectively.
It depends on which history you mean.
As an academic discipline, "history" is usually taken to mean the human past, and thus began with humans. This could be the emergence of homo sapiens (300,000 BP), or stone-tool wielding homoninds (3.3 million BP), or even further back, the evolutionary divergence of humans from chimpanzees.
Specifically, history in the sense of "recorded history", began by definition with the first written records - this is also the traditional domain of historians, and what hence what history usually means when not otherwise qualified. What occurred before that is held to be "prehistory", for which archaeologists are our main source. Finally, the often chaotic transition from prehistory to (recorded) history can be termed "protohistory".
All three terms describe a part of (human) history, and is often referred to simply as "history" in common parlance (though this is especially so for recorded history). It doesn't help that the lines between the three can be very blurred, as you can see from the Chinese example. Moreover, although writing developed as early as 3,000 B.C., it took thousands of years to spread to all regions. Thus, the delineation between (recorded) history and prehistory differs by location.
Beyond human history, there's a variety of other meanings. For geologists, geological history began when the Earth formed 4.5 billions years ago.. Similarly, to astrophysicists cosmological history dates back to the Big Bang as pnuts mentioned (or possibly even before per @DevSolar).
None of this is particularly "western", though - the Chinese for instance also makes the history/prehistory distinction, although their terms for it are "credible history" and "dubious period" respectively.
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Well, some astrophysicists are actually even interested in what was before the Big Bang, it's just that the archaeological base is rather slim. ;-)
– DevSolar
8 hours ago
1
Also expected: when our history began, and what we consider it to encompass?
– LangLangC
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Well, some astrophysicists are actually even interested in what was before the Big Bang, it's just that the archaeological base is rather slim. ;-)
– DevSolar
8 hours ago
1
Also expected: when our history began, and what we consider it to encompass?
– LangLangC
4 hours ago
Well, some astrophysicists are actually even interested in what was before the Big Bang, it's just that the archaeological base is rather slim. ;-)
– DevSolar
8 hours ago
Well, some astrophysicists are actually even interested in what was before the Big Bang, it's just that the archaeological base is rather slim. ;-)
– DevSolar
8 hours ago
1
1
Also expected: when our history began, and what we consider it to encompass?
– LangLangC
4 hours ago
Also expected: when our history began, and what we consider it to encompass?
– LangLangC
4 hours ago
add a comment |
History is referred to the first written records know until now, which are the Sumerian cuneiform clay tablets, around 3300 and 3100 BCE.
There are many other ancient writings, but these cuneiform tablets are the oldest ones proven that are coherent, dated (from their authors) and recorded actual events.
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History is referred to the first written records know until now, which are the Sumerian cuneiform clay tablets, around 3300 and 3100 BCE.
There are many other ancient writings, but these cuneiform tablets are the oldest ones proven that are coherent, dated (from their authors) and recorded actual events.
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History is referred to the first written records know until now, which are the Sumerian cuneiform clay tablets, around 3300 and 3100 BCE.
There are many other ancient writings, but these cuneiform tablets are the oldest ones proven that are coherent, dated (from their authors) and recorded actual events.
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History is referred to the first written records know until now, which are the Sumerian cuneiform clay tablets, around 3300 and 3100 BCE.
There are many other ancient writings, but these cuneiform tablets are the oldest ones proven that are coherent, dated (from their authors) and recorded actual events.
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The discipline of history begins with the changes in western writing about the past that we associate with Ranke and his contemporaries. These changes broadly moved the proper subject of historical discourse to be the explanation of the past as it was. Prior to the changes associated with Ranke, writers used the past to exemplify moral tales. Additionally as the standards of discourse were moralising, the documentary record of the past was discounted in favour of moralising: people made up edifying stuff before Ranke. After Ranke making stuff up, or even not reading widely enough, could end a career.
The discipline of history, which originated as a “western” writing style considers history to be the analysis of the documentary records of the past (with rules about how analysis is conducted). As the subject of history is the documentary record of the past, history in a “western” sense begins with the beginning of the documentary record of the past: chiefly the written record but also high quality oral transmissions.
Western cultural traditions allow for a plurality of opinions. They also support “authority” particularly in self-reinforcing academic traditions. While some religious or cultural traditions in western culture claim history is other than what historians say it is, historians currently monopolise research funding in widely recognised universities.
For example, some people in western society consider “history” to be whatever the King James Version of the bible says. While Western societies allow these people to hold these beliefs, they’re not imprisoned, the esteemed knowledge systems of Western culture dismiss this belief. “History” as if it were biblical literalism is consigned to under recognised theology faculty in under recognised privately funded religious universities.
For example, some people in western cultures consider real knowledge about the past as only being capable of being produced by groups of working class people working together. Sometimes this is accepted by western knowledge systems where the work meets the standards of the scholarly discipline of high Pru, Wendy Lowensteins oral histories for example. However the internally focused rantings of minor Marxist sects who honour the leaders moral judgements above the documents are rejected by the western scholarly community. History as “praxic co-learning” has been confined to Marxist parties, at the point where this interfaces with scholarly history only those worker’s and people’s histories which conform to scholarly standards have been accepted by the scholarly community. The rest has been confined to propaganda pamphlets and the back pages of orthotrot newspapers.
The most accepted scholarly view is the above. The most accepted view is your local nationalist bastardisation of “1066 and all that”. Aussie Aussie Aussie. Oik oik oik.
You got me following you to a certain degree, up to the third-to-last paragraph, at which point you utterly lost me. What?
– DevSolar
5 hours ago
I think this answer answers a different question from the one that was asked, possibly confused by the different possible uses of the word 'history'.
– Timothy
8 mins ago
add a comment |
The discipline of history begins with the changes in western writing about the past that we associate with Ranke and his contemporaries. These changes broadly moved the proper subject of historical discourse to be the explanation of the past as it was. Prior to the changes associated with Ranke, writers used the past to exemplify moral tales. Additionally as the standards of discourse were moralising, the documentary record of the past was discounted in favour of moralising: people made up edifying stuff before Ranke. After Ranke making stuff up, or even not reading widely enough, could end a career.
The discipline of history, which originated as a “western” writing style considers history to be the analysis of the documentary records of the past (with rules about how analysis is conducted). As the subject of history is the documentary record of the past, history in a “western” sense begins with the beginning of the documentary record of the past: chiefly the written record but also high quality oral transmissions.
Western cultural traditions allow for a plurality of opinions. They also support “authority” particularly in self-reinforcing academic traditions. While some religious or cultural traditions in western culture claim history is other than what historians say it is, historians currently monopolise research funding in widely recognised universities.
For example, some people in western society consider “history” to be whatever the King James Version of the bible says. While Western societies allow these people to hold these beliefs, they’re not imprisoned, the esteemed knowledge systems of Western culture dismiss this belief. “History” as if it were biblical literalism is consigned to under recognised theology faculty in under recognised privately funded religious universities.
For example, some people in western cultures consider real knowledge about the past as only being capable of being produced by groups of working class people working together. Sometimes this is accepted by western knowledge systems where the work meets the standards of the scholarly discipline of high Pru, Wendy Lowensteins oral histories for example. However the internally focused rantings of minor Marxist sects who honour the leaders moral judgements above the documents are rejected by the western scholarly community. History as “praxic co-learning” has been confined to Marxist parties, at the point where this interfaces with scholarly history only those worker’s and people’s histories which conform to scholarly standards have been accepted by the scholarly community. The rest has been confined to propaganda pamphlets and the back pages of orthotrot newspapers.
The most accepted scholarly view is the above. The most accepted view is your local nationalist bastardisation of “1066 and all that”. Aussie Aussie Aussie. Oik oik oik.
You got me following you to a certain degree, up to the third-to-last paragraph, at which point you utterly lost me. What?
– DevSolar
5 hours ago
I think this answer answers a different question from the one that was asked, possibly confused by the different possible uses of the word 'history'.
– Timothy
8 mins ago
add a comment |
The discipline of history begins with the changes in western writing about the past that we associate with Ranke and his contemporaries. These changes broadly moved the proper subject of historical discourse to be the explanation of the past as it was. Prior to the changes associated with Ranke, writers used the past to exemplify moral tales. Additionally as the standards of discourse were moralising, the documentary record of the past was discounted in favour of moralising: people made up edifying stuff before Ranke. After Ranke making stuff up, or even not reading widely enough, could end a career.
The discipline of history, which originated as a “western” writing style considers history to be the analysis of the documentary records of the past (with rules about how analysis is conducted). As the subject of history is the documentary record of the past, history in a “western” sense begins with the beginning of the documentary record of the past: chiefly the written record but also high quality oral transmissions.
Western cultural traditions allow for a plurality of opinions. They also support “authority” particularly in self-reinforcing academic traditions. While some religious or cultural traditions in western culture claim history is other than what historians say it is, historians currently monopolise research funding in widely recognised universities.
For example, some people in western society consider “history” to be whatever the King James Version of the bible says. While Western societies allow these people to hold these beliefs, they’re not imprisoned, the esteemed knowledge systems of Western culture dismiss this belief. “History” as if it were biblical literalism is consigned to under recognised theology faculty in under recognised privately funded religious universities.
For example, some people in western cultures consider real knowledge about the past as only being capable of being produced by groups of working class people working together. Sometimes this is accepted by western knowledge systems where the work meets the standards of the scholarly discipline of high Pru, Wendy Lowensteins oral histories for example. However the internally focused rantings of minor Marxist sects who honour the leaders moral judgements above the documents are rejected by the western scholarly community. History as “praxic co-learning” has been confined to Marxist parties, at the point where this interfaces with scholarly history only those worker’s and people’s histories which conform to scholarly standards have been accepted by the scholarly community. The rest has been confined to propaganda pamphlets and the back pages of orthotrot newspapers.
The most accepted scholarly view is the above. The most accepted view is your local nationalist bastardisation of “1066 and all that”. Aussie Aussie Aussie. Oik oik oik.
The discipline of history begins with the changes in western writing about the past that we associate with Ranke and his contemporaries. These changes broadly moved the proper subject of historical discourse to be the explanation of the past as it was. Prior to the changes associated with Ranke, writers used the past to exemplify moral tales. Additionally as the standards of discourse were moralising, the documentary record of the past was discounted in favour of moralising: people made up edifying stuff before Ranke. After Ranke making stuff up, or even not reading widely enough, could end a career.
The discipline of history, which originated as a “western” writing style considers history to be the analysis of the documentary records of the past (with rules about how analysis is conducted). As the subject of history is the documentary record of the past, history in a “western” sense begins with the beginning of the documentary record of the past: chiefly the written record but also high quality oral transmissions.
Western cultural traditions allow for a plurality of opinions. They also support “authority” particularly in self-reinforcing academic traditions. While some religious or cultural traditions in western culture claim history is other than what historians say it is, historians currently monopolise research funding in widely recognised universities.
For example, some people in western society consider “history” to be whatever the King James Version of the bible says. While Western societies allow these people to hold these beliefs, they’re not imprisoned, the esteemed knowledge systems of Western culture dismiss this belief. “History” as if it were biblical literalism is consigned to under recognised theology faculty in under recognised privately funded religious universities.
For example, some people in western cultures consider real knowledge about the past as only being capable of being produced by groups of working class people working together. Sometimes this is accepted by western knowledge systems where the work meets the standards of the scholarly discipline of high Pru, Wendy Lowensteins oral histories for example. However the internally focused rantings of minor Marxist sects who honour the leaders moral judgements above the documents are rejected by the western scholarly community. History as “praxic co-learning” has been confined to Marxist parties, at the point where this interfaces with scholarly history only those worker’s and people’s histories which conform to scholarly standards have been accepted by the scholarly community. The rest has been confined to propaganda pamphlets and the back pages of orthotrot newspapers.
The most accepted scholarly view is the above. The most accepted view is your local nationalist bastardisation of “1066 and all that”. Aussie Aussie Aussie. Oik oik oik.
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You got me following you to a certain degree, up to the third-to-last paragraph, at which point you utterly lost me. What?
– DevSolar
5 hours ago
I think this answer answers a different question from the one that was asked, possibly confused by the different possible uses of the word 'history'.
– Timothy
8 mins ago
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You got me following you to a certain degree, up to the third-to-last paragraph, at which point you utterly lost me. What?
– DevSolar
5 hours ago
I think this answer answers a different question from the one that was asked, possibly confused by the different possible uses of the word 'history'.
– Timothy
8 mins ago
You got me following you to a certain degree, up to the third-to-last paragraph, at which point you utterly lost me. What?
– DevSolar
5 hours ago
You got me following you to a certain degree, up to the third-to-last paragraph, at which point you utterly lost me. What?
– DevSolar
5 hours ago
I think this answer answers a different question from the one that was asked, possibly confused by the different possible uses of the word 'history'.
– Timothy
8 mins ago
I think this answer answers a different question from the one that was asked, possibly confused by the different possible uses of the word 'history'.
– Timothy
8 mins ago
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Why "written records"? Those cave paintings hold much information - surely they are relevant...
– Solar Mike
12 hours ago
@SolarMike I've seen that idea floating around while Googling this. If it's the view, then you can probably say cavemen were prehistoric.
– Vun-Hugh Vaw
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@Close-voters: I don't think this is primarily opinion based. It's a complicated terminology issue that is dependent on context, but there's fairly clear definitions for most of the various types of "history".
– Semaphore♦
5 hours ago
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@Semaphore If you're confident enough for a friendly edit in the direction of OP wishes and intentions to get this going again, I'm easily excited.
– LangLangC
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This question would benefit from preliminary research. Please don't respond in comments - comments raise questions, and the question should be edited to respond to comments. Everything you need to know to answer the question should be in the question. If the question is edited to include the comments and shows some preliminary research, I'll reverse my downvote and recommend a re-open.
– Mark C. Wallace♦
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