Professor forcing me to attend a conference
I am a first year Ph.D. student. During my masters (which was in a different university), a professor (call him M.) and I worked on a paper on Banking regulations. He had a couple of ideas and asked me if I was interested. Because at that time I wanted to get exposure to research, I agreed. Apart from the single idea, all of the paper and results were done by me. I expected him to work on the drafts at least, but he did not end up doing much. We worked on it for a couple of months and tried to submit our work at many journals (all of them were rejected). Finally, it has been accepted recently at a conference. This conference is not major league but niche.
My Prof. M wants me to attend but I do not have funding. Initially, he expected me to spend from my own pocket for travel and registration (around USD 2000). Being a graduate student and staying in one of the expensive cities, I am living life on a hand to mouth existence. So, I informed him in a polite manner that I am not keen to attend due to my inability to fund myself. He asks me to apply to funding agencies or else he is willing to fund 50% of my expenses.
The matter of fact is that I cannot even afford even 50% of the travel expenses. In fact, one of my family members is really sick and I just postponing my travel until I get my stipend for next month as I cannot afford the air tickets. The stipend scenario is so bad at the present university that I started skipping meals to save some money and pay back my EMIs on earlier student loans. Out of nowhere, this conference comes up and it further cripples my shoestring budget. I am really hesitant to discuss my financial shortcomings with Prof. M but else he assumes that I can afford the travel.
I am not sure how to proceed further. Any suggestions are welcome!
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I am a first year Ph.D. student. During my masters (which was in a different university), a professor (call him M.) and I worked on a paper on Banking regulations. He had a couple of ideas and asked me if I was interested. Because at that time I wanted to get exposure to research, I agreed. Apart from the single idea, all of the paper and results were done by me. I expected him to work on the drafts at least, but he did not end up doing much. We worked on it for a couple of months and tried to submit our work at many journals (all of them were rejected). Finally, it has been accepted recently at a conference. This conference is not major league but niche.
My Prof. M wants me to attend but I do not have funding. Initially, he expected me to spend from my own pocket for travel and registration (around USD 2000). Being a graduate student and staying in one of the expensive cities, I am living life on a hand to mouth existence. So, I informed him in a polite manner that I am not keen to attend due to my inability to fund myself. He asks me to apply to funding agencies or else he is willing to fund 50% of my expenses.
The matter of fact is that I cannot even afford even 50% of the travel expenses. In fact, one of my family members is really sick and I just postponing my travel until I get my stipend for next month as I cannot afford the air tickets. The stipend scenario is so bad at the present university that I started skipping meals to save some money and pay back my EMIs on earlier student loans. Out of nowhere, this conference comes up and it further cripples my shoestring budget. I am really hesitant to discuss my financial shortcomings with Prof. M but else he assumes that I can afford the travel.
I am not sure how to proceed further. Any suggestions are welcome!
conference funding travel
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If this is your attitude in interactions with him, I wouldn't want to fund you either.
– Azor Ahai
3 hours ago
13
I got my computer science PhD at age 60. It is a bit disturbing to think that I wrote and defended my dissertation while at a "frailing age". Someone in their 50's may have health problems, but that is unfortunately possible at any age.
– Patricia Shanahan
3 hours ago
6
I agree with Patricia Shanahan. Your advisor's behavior may not be very reasonable, but it is hard to ignore that you come off like an ageist jerk in the way you describe him. Almost all humans that I have ever met are less kind to those who are sufficiently obnoxious to them, so that does seem possibly relevant to your situation.
– Pete L. Clark
2 hours ago
4
So apply to funding agencies, or else don't go. You seem bothered by the fact that you are forced to be clear about the fact that you can't afford it. There's no shame in being a starving student.
– A Simple Algorithm
1 hour ago
3
One has to wonder, based on how the original poster refers to this professor (fifty is not "frail" and age is the only one way accumulates experience), if there is something else involved in the relationship... perhaps a degree of hostility or disrespect.
– T.J.L.
1 hour ago
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I am a first year Ph.D. student. During my masters (which was in a different university), a professor (call him M.) and I worked on a paper on Banking regulations. He had a couple of ideas and asked me if I was interested. Because at that time I wanted to get exposure to research, I agreed. Apart from the single idea, all of the paper and results were done by me. I expected him to work on the drafts at least, but he did not end up doing much. We worked on it for a couple of months and tried to submit our work at many journals (all of them were rejected). Finally, it has been accepted recently at a conference. This conference is not major league but niche.
My Prof. M wants me to attend but I do not have funding. Initially, he expected me to spend from my own pocket for travel and registration (around USD 2000). Being a graduate student and staying in one of the expensive cities, I am living life on a hand to mouth existence. So, I informed him in a polite manner that I am not keen to attend due to my inability to fund myself. He asks me to apply to funding agencies or else he is willing to fund 50% of my expenses.
The matter of fact is that I cannot even afford even 50% of the travel expenses. In fact, one of my family members is really sick and I just postponing my travel until I get my stipend for next month as I cannot afford the air tickets. The stipend scenario is so bad at the present university that I started skipping meals to save some money and pay back my EMIs on earlier student loans. Out of nowhere, this conference comes up and it further cripples my shoestring budget. I am really hesitant to discuss my financial shortcomings with Prof. M but else he assumes that I can afford the travel.
I am not sure how to proceed further. Any suggestions are welcome!
conference funding travel
edited 16 mins ago
David K
7041714
asked 4 hours ago
kasakasa
1463
I am a first year Ph.D. student. During my masters (which was in a different university), a professor (call him M.) and I worked on a paper on Banking regulations. He had a couple of ideas and asked me if I was interested. Because at that time I wanted to get exposure to research, I agreed. Apart from the single idea, all of the paper and results were done by me. I expected him to work on the drafts at least, but he did not end up doing much. We worked on it for a couple of months and tried to submit our work at many journals (all of them were rejected). Finally, it has been accepted recently at a conference. This conference is not major league but niche.
My Prof. M wants me to attend but I do not have funding. Initially, he expected me to spend from my own pocket for travel and registration (around USD 2000). Being a graduate student and staying in one of the expensive cities, I am living life on a hand to mouth existence. So, I informed him in a polite manner that I am not keen to attend due to my inability to fund myself. He asks me to apply to funding agencies or else he is willing to fund 50% of my expenses.
The matter of fact is that I cannot even afford even 50% of the travel expenses. In fact, one of my family members is really sick and I just postponing my travel until I get my stipend for next month as I cannot afford the air tickets. The stipend scenario is so bad at the present university that I started skipping meals to save some money and pay back my EMIs on earlier student loans. Out of nowhere, this conference comes up and it further cripples my shoestring budget. I am really hesitant to discuss my financial shortcomings with Prof. M but else he assumes that I can afford the travel.
I am not sure how to proceed further. Any suggestions are welcome!
conference funding travel
conference funding travel
edited 16 mins ago
David K
7041714
asked 4 hours ago
kasakasa
1463
edited 16 mins ago
David K
7041714
asked 4 hours ago
kasakasa
1463
edited 16 mins ago
David K
7041714
edited 16 mins ago
David K
7041714
edited 16 mins ago
David K
7041714
7041714
asked 4 hours ago
kasakasa
1463
asked 4 hours ago
kasakasa
1463
asked 4 hours ago
kasakasa
1463
1463
5
If this is your attitude in interactions with him, I wouldn't want to fund you either.
– Azor Ahai
3 hours ago
13
I got my computer science PhD at age 60. It is a bit disturbing to think that I wrote and defended my dissertation while at a "frailing age". Someone in their 50's may have health problems, but that is unfortunately possible at any age.
– Patricia Shanahan
3 hours ago
6
I agree with Patricia Shanahan. Your advisor's behavior may not be very reasonable, but it is hard to ignore that you come off like an ageist jerk in the way you describe him. Almost all humans that I have ever met are less kind to those who are sufficiently obnoxious to them, so that does seem possibly relevant to your situation.
– Pete L. Clark
2 hours ago
4
So apply to funding agencies, or else don't go. You seem bothered by the fact that you are forced to be clear about the fact that you can't afford it. There's no shame in being a starving student.
– A Simple Algorithm
1 hour ago
3
One has to wonder, based on how the original poster refers to this professor (fifty is not "frail" and age is the only one way accumulates experience), if there is something else involved in the relationship... perhaps a degree of hostility or disrespect.
– T.J.L.
1 hour ago
|
show 3 more comments
5
If this is your attitude in interactions with him, I wouldn't want to fund you either.
– Azor Ahai
3 hours ago
13
I got my computer science PhD at age 60. It is a bit disturbing to think that I wrote and defended my dissertation while at a "frailing age". Someone in their 50's may have health problems, but that is unfortunately possible at any age.
– Patricia Shanahan
3 hours ago
6
I agree with Patricia Shanahan. Your advisor's behavior may not be very reasonable, but it is hard to ignore that you come off like an ageist jerk in the way you describe him. Almost all humans that I have ever met are less kind to those who are sufficiently obnoxious to them, so that does seem possibly relevant to your situation.
– Pete L. Clark
2 hours ago
4
So apply to funding agencies, or else don't go. You seem bothered by the fact that you are forced to be clear about the fact that you can't afford it. There's no shame in being a starving student.
– A Simple Algorithm
1 hour ago
3
One has to wonder, based on how the original poster refers to this professor (fifty is not "frail" and age is the only one way accumulates experience), if there is something else involved in the relationship... perhaps a degree of hostility or disrespect.
– T.J.L.
1 hour ago
5
5
If this is your attitude in interactions with him, I wouldn't want to fund you either.
– Azor Ahai
3 hours ago
If this is your attitude in interactions with him, I wouldn't want to fund you either.
– Azor Ahai
3 hours ago
13
13
I got my computer science PhD at age 60. It is a bit disturbing to think that I wrote and defended my dissertation while at a "frailing age". Someone in their 50's may have health problems, but that is unfortunately possible at any age.
– Patricia Shanahan
3 hours ago
I got my computer science PhD at age 60. It is a bit disturbing to think that I wrote and defended my dissertation while at a "frailing age". Someone in their 50's may have health problems, but that is unfortunately possible at any age.
– Patricia Shanahan
3 hours ago
6
6
I agree with Patricia Shanahan. Your advisor's behavior may not be very reasonable, but it is hard to ignore that you come off like an ageist jerk in the way you describe him. Almost all humans that I have ever met are less kind to those who are sufficiently obnoxious to them, so that does seem possibly relevant to your situation.
– Pete L. Clark
2 hours ago
I agree with Patricia Shanahan. Your advisor's behavior may not be very reasonable, but it is hard to ignore that you come off like an ageist jerk in the way you describe him. Almost all humans that I have ever met are less kind to those who are sufficiently obnoxious to them, so that does seem possibly relevant to your situation.
– Pete L. Clark
2 hours ago
4
4
So apply to funding agencies, or else don't go. You seem bothered by the fact that you are forced to be clear about the fact that you can't afford it. There's no shame in being a starving student.
– A Simple Algorithm
1 hour ago
So apply to funding agencies, or else don't go. You seem bothered by the fact that you are forced to be clear about the fact that you can't afford it. There's no shame in being a starving student.
– A Simple Algorithm
1 hour ago
3
3
One has to wonder, based on how the original poster refers to this professor (fifty is not "frail" and age is the only one way accumulates experience), if there is something else involved in the relationship... perhaps a degree of hostility or disrespect.
– T.J.L.
1 hour ago
One has to wonder, based on how the original poster refers to this professor (fifty is not "frail" and age is the only one way accumulates experience), if there is something else involved in the relationship... perhaps a degree of hostility or disrespect.
– T.J.L.
1 hour ago
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Late 50s is "frailing age"?
I don't see anybody "forcing" you to do anything. Prof M has given you some reasonable suggestions:
- apply for funding
- an offer to fund 50% of your expenses.
If the latter option doesn't work for you, you are left with either the first option: apply for funding, or other options such as A) Not going, or B) further explaining your financial situation in the hope that the professor might be able to offer more towards expenses. If you are hoping for (B) it would be best for you to at least first attempt to find other funding, as the professor suggested.
answered 4 hours ago
Bryan KrauseBryan Krause
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Of course, not attending may have consequences too - you may have to withdraw your paper and look for other ways to get it published. Well, life has trade-offs.
– Nate Eldredge
3 hours ago
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Your professor has made a generous offer, I think. Your situation is difficult, I also think. It would be good if you could find a way to go, both for now and for your future prospects, both with the (prime age) professor and in meeting people.
So, the issue becomes funding. The first thing you might do is look for funding locally. It is entirely possible that your university has some funds that can be used to support students in such things. The place to start is with the department head, I would guess. See if there is some travel monies available as they certainly have for faculty. If not in the department, then possibly at a higher level in the university.
You may also belong to a professional organization as a student member. Many of these have travel grants available. You might look there.
answered 3 hours ago
BuffyBuffy
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50% funding is not generous at all. In our department (UK) nobody will expect a PhD student to fund their own trip; they can expect to be 100% reimbursed. In Germany, however, considerable self-funding contribution was expected, but there, in many disciplines, PhD students in half-funded positions are expected to work full-time.
– Captain Emacs
2 hours ago
1
@CaptainEmacs Your comment doesn't make much sense to me. It seems like you are saying "In the UK this would not be considered generous; in Germany it would" at least in your field, and yet you say it is not generous at all? There's also the additional circumstance here that the OP is no longer at the same institution which might put some limits on funding options.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
@CaptainEmacs, for a personal-funds offer, it would be generous, I think. That was what I based it on.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
@BryanKrause Ok, you are right, I should explain: I found that, in the UK (or at least in my institution) it is considered unacceptable that an employee or student should not be reimbursed fully for a business trip, be paid less than full salary for a job. Retroactively, learning this, the German system for PhD students appears really exploitative. (Of course, one could say, Germany does not take tuition fees, but that's a separate issue).
– Captain Emacs
1 hour ago
1
@CaptainEmacs The first words of the OP: "I am a first year Ph.D. student. During my masters (which was in a different university)" From several other questions on the topic of conference funding, it seems fairly typical that students often need to find their own funding (incl by applying for funds), especially if they are now at a different institution, though it depends on my field. Certainly in my field I would agree with you, because it is common for students to be funded by professor's grants and for those grants to include travel funds, but this is not the case in all fields.
– Bryan Krause
1 hour ago
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Just tell the old prof no. There's nothing he can do to you. Play passive aggressive. Let him fret, not you.
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Late 50s is "frailing age"?
I don't see anybody "forcing" you to do anything. Prof M has given you some reasonable suggestions:
- apply for funding
- an offer to fund 50% of your expenses.
If the latter option doesn't work for you, you are left with either the first option: apply for funding, or other options such as A) Not going, or B) further explaining your financial situation in the hope that the professor might be able to offer more towards expenses. If you are hoping for (B) it would be best for you to at least first attempt to find other funding, as the professor suggested.
answered 4 hours ago
Bryan KrauseBryan Krause
13.7k13863
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Of course, not attending may have consequences too - you may have to withdraw your paper and look for other ways to get it published. Well, life has trade-offs.
– Nate Eldredge
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Late 50s is "frailing age"?
I don't see anybody "forcing" you to do anything. Prof M has given you some reasonable suggestions:
- apply for funding
- an offer to fund 50% of your expenses.
If the latter option doesn't work for you, you are left with either the first option: apply for funding, or other options such as A) Not going, or B) further explaining your financial situation in the hope that the professor might be able to offer more towards expenses. If you are hoping for (B) it would be best for you to at least first attempt to find other funding, as the professor suggested.
answered 4 hours ago
Bryan KrauseBryan Krause
13.7k13863
3
Of course, not attending may have consequences too - you may have to withdraw your paper and look for other ways to get it published. Well, life has trade-offs.
– Nate Eldredge
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Late 50s is "frailing age"?
I don't see anybody "forcing" you to do anything. Prof M has given you some reasonable suggestions:
- apply for funding
- an offer to fund 50% of your expenses.
If the latter option doesn't work for you, you are left with either the first option: apply for funding, or other options such as A) Not going, or B) further explaining your financial situation in the hope that the professor might be able to offer more towards expenses. If you are hoping for (B) it would be best for you to at least first attempt to find other funding, as the professor suggested.
answered 4 hours ago
Bryan KrauseBryan Krause
13.7k13863
Late 50s is "frailing age"?
I don't see anybody "forcing" you to do anything. Prof M has given you some reasonable suggestions:
- apply for funding
- an offer to fund 50% of your expenses.
If the latter option doesn't work for you, you are left with either the first option: apply for funding, or other options such as A) Not going, or B) further explaining your financial situation in the hope that the professor might be able to offer more towards expenses. If you are hoping for (B) it would be best for you to at least first attempt to find other funding, as the professor suggested.
answered 4 hours ago
Bryan KrauseBryan Krause
13.7k13863
answered 4 hours ago
Bryan KrauseBryan Krause
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answered 4 hours ago
Bryan KrauseBryan Krause
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answered 4 hours ago
Bryan KrauseBryan Krause
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Of course, not attending may have consequences too - you may have to withdraw your paper and look for other ways to get it published. Well, life has trade-offs.
– Nate Eldredge
3 hours ago
add a comment |
3
Of course, not attending may have consequences too - you may have to withdraw your paper and look for other ways to get it published. Well, life has trade-offs.
– Nate Eldredge
3 hours ago
3
3
Of course, not attending may have consequences too - you may have to withdraw your paper and look for other ways to get it published. Well, life has trade-offs.
– Nate Eldredge
3 hours ago
Of course, not attending may have consequences too - you may have to withdraw your paper and look for other ways to get it published. Well, life has trade-offs.
– Nate Eldredge
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Your professor has made a generous offer, I think. Your situation is difficult, I also think. It would be good if you could find a way to go, both for now and for your future prospects, both with the (prime age) professor and in meeting people.
So, the issue becomes funding. The first thing you might do is look for funding locally. It is entirely possible that your university has some funds that can be used to support students in such things. The place to start is with the department head, I would guess. See if there is some travel monies available as they certainly have for faculty. If not in the department, then possibly at a higher level in the university.
You may also belong to a professional organization as a student member. Many of these have travel grants available. You might look there.
answered 3 hours ago
BuffyBuffy
50.7k14165251
1
50% funding is not generous at all. In our department (UK) nobody will expect a PhD student to fund their own trip; they can expect to be 100% reimbursed. In Germany, however, considerable self-funding contribution was expected, but there, in many disciplines, PhD students in half-funded positions are expected to work full-time.
– Captain Emacs
2 hours ago
1
@CaptainEmacs Your comment doesn't make much sense to me. It seems like you are saying "In the UK this would not be considered generous; in Germany it would" at least in your field, and yet you say it is not generous at all? There's also the additional circumstance here that the OP is no longer at the same institution which might put some limits on funding options.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
@CaptainEmacs, for a personal-funds offer, it would be generous, I think. That was what I based it on.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
@BryanKrause Ok, you are right, I should explain: I found that, in the UK (or at least in my institution) it is considered unacceptable that an employee or student should not be reimbursed fully for a business trip, be paid less than full salary for a job. Retroactively, learning this, the German system for PhD students appears really exploitative. (Of course, one could say, Germany does not take tuition fees, but that's a separate issue).
– Captain Emacs
1 hour ago
1
@CaptainEmacs The first words of the OP: "I am a first year Ph.D. student. During my masters (which was in a different university)" From several other questions on the topic of conference funding, it seems fairly typical that students often need to find their own funding (incl by applying for funds), especially if they are now at a different institution, though it depends on my field. Certainly in my field I would agree with you, because it is common for students to be funded by professor's grants and for those grants to include travel funds, but this is not the case in all fields.
– Bryan Krause
1 hour ago
|
show 2 more comments
Your professor has made a generous offer, I think. Your situation is difficult, I also think. It would be good if you could find a way to go, both for now and for your future prospects, both with the (prime age) professor and in meeting people.
So, the issue becomes funding. The first thing you might do is look for funding locally. It is entirely possible that your university has some funds that can be used to support students in such things. The place to start is with the department head, I would guess. See if there is some travel monies available as they certainly have for faculty. If not in the department, then possibly at a higher level in the university.
You may also belong to a professional organization as a student member. Many of these have travel grants available. You might look there.
answered 3 hours ago
BuffyBuffy
50.7k14165251
1
50% funding is not generous at all. In our department (UK) nobody will expect a PhD student to fund their own trip; they can expect to be 100% reimbursed. In Germany, however, considerable self-funding contribution was expected, but there, in many disciplines, PhD students in half-funded positions are expected to work full-time.
– Captain Emacs
2 hours ago
1
@CaptainEmacs Your comment doesn't make much sense to me. It seems like you are saying "In the UK this would not be considered generous; in Germany it would" at least in your field, and yet you say it is not generous at all? There's also the additional circumstance here that the OP is no longer at the same institution which might put some limits on funding options.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
@CaptainEmacs, for a personal-funds offer, it would be generous, I think. That was what I based it on.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
@BryanKrause Ok, you are right, I should explain: I found that, in the UK (or at least in my institution) it is considered unacceptable that an employee or student should not be reimbursed fully for a business trip, be paid less than full salary for a job. Retroactively, learning this, the German system for PhD students appears really exploitative. (Of course, one could say, Germany does not take tuition fees, but that's a separate issue).
– Captain Emacs
1 hour ago
1
@CaptainEmacs The first words of the OP: "I am a first year Ph.D. student. During my masters (which was in a different university)" From several other questions on the topic of conference funding, it seems fairly typical that students often need to find their own funding (incl by applying for funds), especially if they are now at a different institution, though it depends on my field. Certainly in my field I would agree with you, because it is common for students to be funded by professor's grants and for those grants to include travel funds, but this is not the case in all fields.
– Bryan Krause
1 hour ago
|
show 2 more comments
Your professor has made a generous offer, I think. Your situation is difficult, I also think. It would be good if you could find a way to go, both for now and for your future prospects, both with the (prime age) professor and in meeting people.
So, the issue becomes funding. The first thing you might do is look for funding locally. It is entirely possible that your university has some funds that can be used to support students in such things. The place to start is with the department head, I would guess. See if there is some travel monies available as they certainly have for faculty. If not in the department, then possibly at a higher level in the university.
You may also belong to a professional organization as a student member. Many of these have travel grants available. You might look there.
answered 3 hours ago
BuffyBuffy
50.7k14165251
Your professor has made a generous offer, I think. Your situation is difficult, I also think. It would be good if you could find a way to go, both for now and for your future prospects, both with the (prime age) professor and in meeting people.
So, the issue becomes funding. The first thing you might do is look for funding locally. It is entirely possible that your university has some funds that can be used to support students in such things. The place to start is with the department head, I would guess. See if there is some travel monies available as they certainly have for faculty. If not in the department, then possibly at a higher level in the university.
You may also belong to a professional organization as a student member. Many of these have travel grants available. You might look there.
answered 3 hours ago
BuffyBuffy
50.7k14165251
answered 3 hours ago
BuffyBuffy
50.7k14165251
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BuffyBuffy
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50% funding is not generous at all. In our department (UK) nobody will expect a PhD student to fund their own trip; they can expect to be 100% reimbursed. In Germany, however, considerable self-funding contribution was expected, but there, in many disciplines, PhD students in half-funded positions are expected to work full-time.
– Captain Emacs
2 hours ago
1
@CaptainEmacs Your comment doesn't make much sense to me. It seems like you are saying "In the UK this would not be considered generous; in Germany it would" at least in your field, and yet you say it is not generous at all? There's also the additional circumstance here that the OP is no longer at the same institution which might put some limits on funding options.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
@CaptainEmacs, for a personal-funds offer, it would be generous, I think. That was what I based it on.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
@BryanKrause Ok, you are right, I should explain: I found that, in the UK (or at least in my institution) it is considered unacceptable that an employee or student should not be reimbursed fully for a business trip, be paid less than full salary for a job. Retroactively, learning this, the German system for PhD students appears really exploitative. (Of course, one could say, Germany does not take tuition fees, but that's a separate issue).
– Captain Emacs
1 hour ago
1
@CaptainEmacs The first words of the OP: "I am a first year Ph.D. student. During my masters (which was in a different university)" From several other questions on the topic of conference funding, it seems fairly typical that students often need to find their own funding (incl by applying for funds), especially if they are now at a different institution, though it depends on my field. Certainly in my field I would agree with you, because it is common for students to be funded by professor's grants and for those grants to include travel funds, but this is not the case in all fields.
– Bryan Krause
1 hour ago
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50% funding is not generous at all. In our department (UK) nobody will expect a PhD student to fund their own trip; they can expect to be 100% reimbursed. In Germany, however, considerable self-funding contribution was expected, but there, in many disciplines, PhD students in half-funded positions are expected to work full-time.
– Captain Emacs
2 hours ago
1
@CaptainEmacs Your comment doesn't make much sense to me. It seems like you are saying "In the UK this would not be considered generous; in Germany it would" at least in your field, and yet you say it is not generous at all? There's also the additional circumstance here that the OP is no longer at the same institution which might put some limits on funding options.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
@CaptainEmacs, for a personal-funds offer, it would be generous, I think. That was what I based it on.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
@BryanKrause Ok, you are right, I should explain: I found that, in the UK (or at least in my institution) it is considered unacceptable that an employee or student should not be reimbursed fully for a business trip, be paid less than full salary for a job. Retroactively, learning this, the German system for PhD students appears really exploitative. (Of course, one could say, Germany does not take tuition fees, but that's a separate issue).
– Captain Emacs
1 hour ago
1
@CaptainEmacs The first words of the OP: "I am a first year Ph.D. student. During my masters (which was in a different university)" From several other questions on the topic of conference funding, it seems fairly typical that students often need to find their own funding (incl by applying for funds), especially if they are now at a different institution, though it depends on my field. Certainly in my field I would agree with you, because it is common for students to be funded by professor's grants and for those grants to include travel funds, but this is not the case in all fields.
– Bryan Krause
1 hour ago
1
1
50% funding is not generous at all. In our department (UK) nobody will expect a PhD student to fund their own trip; they can expect to be 100% reimbursed. In Germany, however, considerable self-funding contribution was expected, but there, in many disciplines, PhD students in half-funded positions are expected to work full-time.
– Captain Emacs
2 hours ago
50% funding is not generous at all. In our department (UK) nobody will expect a PhD student to fund their own trip; they can expect to be 100% reimbursed. In Germany, however, considerable self-funding contribution was expected, but there, in many disciplines, PhD students in half-funded positions are expected to work full-time.
– Captain Emacs
2 hours ago
1
1
@CaptainEmacs Your comment doesn't make much sense to me. It seems like you are saying "In the UK this would not be considered generous; in Germany it would" at least in your field, and yet you say it is not generous at all? There's also the additional circumstance here that the OP is no longer at the same institution which might put some limits on funding options.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
@CaptainEmacs Your comment doesn't make much sense to me. It seems like you are saying "In the UK this would not be considered generous; in Germany it would" at least in your field, and yet you say it is not generous at all? There's also the additional circumstance here that the OP is no longer at the same institution which might put some limits on funding options.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
@CaptainEmacs, for a personal-funds offer, it would be generous, I think. That was what I based it on.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
@CaptainEmacs, for a personal-funds offer, it would be generous, I think. That was what I based it on.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
@BryanKrause Ok, you are right, I should explain: I found that, in the UK (or at least in my institution) it is considered unacceptable that an employee or student should not be reimbursed fully for a business trip, be paid less than full salary for a job. Retroactively, learning this, the German system for PhD students appears really exploitative. (Of course, one could say, Germany does not take tuition fees, but that's a separate issue).
– Captain Emacs
1 hour ago
@BryanKrause Ok, you are right, I should explain: I found that, in the UK (or at least in my institution) it is considered unacceptable that an employee or student should not be reimbursed fully for a business trip, be paid less than full salary for a job. Retroactively, learning this, the German system for PhD students appears really exploitative. (Of course, one could say, Germany does not take tuition fees, but that's a separate issue).
– Captain Emacs
1 hour ago
1
1
@CaptainEmacs The first words of the OP: "I am a first year Ph.D. student. During my masters (which was in a different university)" From several other questions on the topic of conference funding, it seems fairly typical that students often need to find their own funding (incl by applying for funds), especially if they are now at a different institution, though it depends on my field. Certainly in my field I would agree with you, because it is common for students to be funded by professor's grants and for those grants to include travel funds, but this is not the case in all fields.
– Bryan Krause
1 hour ago
@CaptainEmacs The first words of the OP: "I am a first year Ph.D. student. During my masters (which was in a different university)" From several other questions on the topic of conference funding, it seems fairly typical that students often need to find their own funding (incl by applying for funds), especially if they are now at a different institution, though it depends on my field. Certainly in my field I would agree with you, because it is common for students to be funded by professor's grants and for those grants to include travel funds, but this is not the case in all fields.
– Bryan Krause
1 hour ago
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Just tell the old prof no. There's nothing he can do to you. Play passive aggressive. Let him fret, not you.
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Just tell the old prof no. There's nothing he can do to you. Play passive aggressive. Let him fret, not you.
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If this is your attitude in interactions with him, I wouldn't want to fund you either.
– Azor Ahai
3 hours ago
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I got my computer science PhD at age 60. It is a bit disturbing to think that I wrote and defended my dissertation while at a "frailing age". Someone in their 50's may have health problems, but that is unfortunately possible at any age.
– Patricia Shanahan
3 hours ago
6
I agree with Patricia Shanahan. Your advisor's behavior may not be very reasonable, but it is hard to ignore that you come off like an ageist jerk in the way you describe him. Almost all humans that I have ever met are less kind to those who are sufficiently obnoxious to them, so that does seem possibly relevant to your situation.
– Pete L. Clark
2 hours ago
4
So apply to funding agencies, or else don't go. You seem bothered by the fact that you are forced to be clear about the fact that you can't afford it. There's no shame in being a starving student.
– A Simple Algorithm
1 hour ago
3
One has to wonder, based on how the original poster refers to this professor (fifty is not "frail" and age is the only one way accumulates experience), if there is something else involved in the relationship... perhaps a degree of hostility or disrespect.
– T.J.L.
1 hour ago